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Notch's Livestream for Ludum Dare 21

133 points| fredoliveira | 14 years ago |livestream.com | reply

The stream has started, but notch hasn't begun coding yet at the time of this writing. Those of you who don't know what Ludum Dare is, can check their website at http://ludumdare.com/ - but TL;DR: rapid game dev competition, in 48 hours - Notch (maker of Minecraft) is streaming his participation this year.

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[+] GVRV|14 years ago|reply
He's trying again at http://www.justin.tv/realnotch

Edit: Seems like many people having problems with it, but Notch is sticking with it. Would be awesome if the Justin.tv/Twitch.tv crew can jump in and help!

[+] runevault|14 years ago|reply
Odd when I try to load it the url jumps back and forth between twitch.tv and justin.tv and never sticks on either.
[+] sek|14 years ago|reply
In Germany you have to buy a premium account to watch. It says to much streams in this country.

There is just one peering video hoster, when can users stream on Youtube?

[+] luminarious|14 years ago|reply
Max number of streams reached for my country. Who knew there are so many Notch fans in Estonia.
[+] smhinsey|14 years ago|reply
Is there no voice over on this one?
[+] lee|14 years ago|reply
This is amazing. Currently there are 12000 people tuned to watch a man program live. Who would have thought that would ever happen... live streaming programming.
[+] ANH|14 years ago|reply
I'd pay money for a 24-hour channel of various programmers, known and unknown, livestreaming. Does this exist already?
[+] lrm242|14 years ago|reply
It's hugely fascinating to watch & listen to him brainstorm on the type of game he wants to build. This is awesome.
[+] fredoliveira|14 years ago|reply
I have lost count of the number of things I learned. Particularly new ways of doing things.
[+] DanielRibeiro|14 years ago|reply
This is a great idea. Uncle bob[1] had filmed himself a few times (I've learned a few tricks this way), but making it real time is a lot more engaging.

[1] http://vimeo.com/7762511

[+] leon_|14 years ago|reply
12000 people watching a man program _JAVA_. I guess hell is a cold place nowadays ;)
[+] Simucal|14 years ago|reply
He just ended the stream when he checked his usage report on Livestream.com.

Apparently he had racked up 17,000 viewer hours so far and said the cost was getting way out of hand. I'm trying to see how much that is going to cost him.

It would be cool if we could get Livestream to sponsor him perhaps as a way to promote their service?

[+] emmett|14 years ago|reply
We're offering him 100% free service on TwitchTV. In fact, he'll MAKE money through our partner program.

Since we already have a massive Minecraft casting community, I think it's a logical place for him to do it: http://twitch.tv/directory/Minecraft

[+] fredoliveira|14 years ago|reply
The stream has started, but notch hasn't begun coding yet at the time of this writing (so don't be scared by the still screen).

Those of you who don't know what Ludum Dare is, can check their website at http://ludumdare.com/ - but TL;DR: rapid game dev competition, in 48 hours - Notch (maker of Minecraft) is streaming his participation this year.

[+] ForrestN|14 years ago|reply
Does anyone know what he's making? I just tuned in 30 minutes ago, and he's been focused on getting his RenderWall function to work. Has he said what his eventual plan is at all?
[+] Simucal|14 years ago|reply
He just said, "The funny with my Lundum Dare entries is I never have any idea what game I'm making while I'm doing it."
[+] suninwinter|14 years ago|reply
It looks like his changes appear in the game window without rebuilding the program. Is that what everyone else is seeing? Is this a technique I should know about?
[+] barrkel|14 years ago|reply
Hotswap bug fixing is the Java term for it. .NET calls it Edit and Continue. Much the same thing has existed in Smalltalk and Lisp etc. for much longer.

It's particularly well suited for things like a game loop or a server, because it works best (or rather usually, only) when the code you're editing is not on the stack.

[+] smhinsey|14 years ago|reply
It's basically edit and continue in debug mode.
[+] drtse4|14 years ago|reply
He is using JRebel i guess.
[+] cschep|14 years ago|reply
Notch just talked about how it was going to be super expensive to do this, and changed the quality of the stream to low to hopefully counteract that somehow?

That seems crazy to me, we all want to watch this and it's costing him money to do us that favor? Seemingly he's also driving traffic to livestream, is it because he has no ads or something?

[+] swah|14 years ago|reply
Would you (should he) ever commit to a VCS working at this speed?
[+] albertzeyer|14 years ago|reply
This reminds me of the Hackontest (http://hackontest.org) (Disclaimer: I was working there for/on OpenLieroX.)

We were filmed all the 24h via webcam and all our screens were recorded also via VNC and inside the OpenExpo, one could watch us coding live.

I don't really find much records of it though but here are two videos (sadly not the VNC records):

http://www.etoy.com/blog/archive/2008/09/26/hackontest.html

http://technocrat.net/video/Hackontest/2.mpg

I find it very instructive to actually watch other people coding.

[+] yatsyk|14 years ago|reply
I'd be very interested to look at live editing of experienced vim hacker to steal some tips.
[+] pakitan|14 years ago|reply
Check out peepcode.com - the "Play by Play" series with Zed Shaw and Gary Bernhardt. The videos are not specifically dedicated to vim tips and tricks but since the programming is done on vim you should be able to find something interesting.
[+] swah|14 years ago|reply
He seems to be using vim emulation on Eclipse, no?
[+] shabda|14 years ago|reply
If you like this kind of things, Peepcode's Play by Play screencasts are good too.
[+] BasDirks|14 years ago|reply
I do like the PbP's from Peepcode, but Notch is something else.
[+] exit|14 years ago|reply
at 18:31 utc he closed the stream because the number of viewers would equal a huge streaming bill for him :(

he mentions that he found streaming on justin.tv would also be too expensive.

i for one would pay to have famous coders streaming in the background while i code myself.

[+] emmett|14 years ago|reply
Streaming on Justin.tv is free.

Also on TwitchTV. We reached out.

[+] mrud|14 years ago|reply
Some livecasters earn money with justin.tv and hd content. And AFAIK justin.tv streams are free of charge (even hd)
[+] highace|14 years ago|reply
It's actually really interesting to see the thought process and programming technique of a respected dev from start to finish of a project. I'm sure I'll learn a lot, more people should do this.

Going to keep it on the secondary monitor.

[+] fredoliveira|14 years ago|reply
The iPad stream is surprisingly good. Very high quality, and makes for a great way to keep up with this while working on other things.
[+] zaphodbeiberbrx|14 years ago|reply
Please don't start taking programming tips from Mojang employees.
[+] Madsn|14 years ago|reply
"Unfortunately, mojang has been permanently deleted. All of mojang's videos will no longer be available."

Did they just kick him off? Cause I didn't hear him say anything about taking the stream offline.

[+] lgeek|14 years ago|reply
"I deleted the channel myself to stop any further costs. It got WAAAY out of hand, haha"

via twitter

[+] kayoone|14 years ago|reply
Its amazing to watch him build this. I also find it inspiring that he is still doing this because he simply loves building games despite the fact he has made millions with minecraft already.
[+] smhinsey|14 years ago|reply
He just stopped the stream due to the cost. I'd be very curious to know what the actual numbers were.
[+] wmeddie|14 years ago|reply
He said he was at 17,000 viewer hours. I'm not sure what plan he's using but if it was the professional one that'd be

17,000 * $0.27 = $4590!

[+] JoeH|14 years ago|reply
He stopped and restarted at a lower quality