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Wikipedia defines "vaccine" as "a biological preparation that provides active acquired immunity to a particular infectious disease", which in my view would fit the Pfizer/Moderna shots. Which definition of "vaccine" do you subscribe to that these "treatments" don't fit into?

Also, mRNA is not the only type of vaccine for COVID.

Finally, two more questions: would you clarify which definition of "experimental" you subscribe to? And do you have a source for "testing standards were reduced"?

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Maybe wikipedia also changed it (did you check?), Webster did change it:

https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=50886

> Also, mRNA is not the only type of vaccine for COVID.

I know.

> Which definition of "vaccine" do you subscribe to that these "treatments" don't fit into?

It's all marketing at this point. mRNA-treatment does not sell. Vaccine elicits people's trust, and obedience.

> would you clarify which definition of "experimental" you subscribe to?

Not FDA approved in the US. "approval pending"

> And do you have a source for "testing standards were reduced"?

These kind of drugs take years to develop. This stuff was done in a few months. They skipped some steps in the process. Understandable, but still...

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> Maybe wikipedia also changed it (did you check?)

Here's a link to the Wikipedia entry from 2017, same text: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vaccine&oldid=798...

Here's a link to the CDC definition from 2017: https://web.archive.org/web/20171203162427/https://www.cdc.g... ("Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease.")

> It's all marketing at this point.

Definitions made prior to the pandemic would already fit the mRNA vaccines, therefore the claim that the definition was stretched for marketing/persuasion reasons don't really hold water.

> Not FDA approved in the US. "approval pending"

This FDA link claims Cominarty was approved in August 23 2021. The word "pending" is not found in this page.

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-appr...

> These kind of drugs take years to develop. This stuff was done in a few months.

"The first human clinical trials using an mRNA vaccine against an infectious agent (rabies) began in 2013." (from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MRNA_vaccine)

Of course the actual individual version for COVID-19 is newer, but then again, so is any flu vaccine that is updated basically yearly. What matters is the age of the "vaccine platform".

> They skipped some steps in the process.

Citation needed?