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newman555 | 4 years ago

once I switched there’s no way I’m ever going back to cow’s milk. Why? Health, much greater taste variety, no cruelty involved to make it, environmental benefits.

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taejavu|4 years ago

There are some horrendous practices prevalent in the dairy industry for sure, but it’s naive to think there is no cruelty or environmental detriment involved in plant based milk.

The natural ecosystem of the land that is now crop was obliterated before the first seed was sewn, and most likely the soil’s nutrients are depleted more and more each year, due to pesticides and crude plowing techniques.

If a moral high ground is what you’re looking for, drink water.

HatchedLake721|4 years ago

You’re being negative and pedantic.

There is no perfect way to produce consumable resources because it takes other resources to make them, whether it’s animals, land, water, fuel or whatnot.

Someone will always find something to be unhappy or offended with even if we grow oat milk in space in a vacuum and teleport it back to earth.

Reducing horrendous practices of abusing animals to have a milky cup of coffee is great step forward and people have the right to feel they’re making a positive impact without judgements that’s it not good enough or that poor soil’s nutrients are taken away instead now.

You can’t change the world being binary about these things, it’s a step forward in the right direction.

We’ll change world being agile and iterative, not by turning it into a waterfall project of “everything now is magically 100% environmentally friendly and everyone’s happy”.

dunefox|4 years ago

Most farming is done for live stock feed, so your argument makes little sense. Also if there's the choice to be made between soil and live animals I'm choosing the animals.

newman555|4 years ago

I’m not looking for any high ground, I’m looking for decent ground. There’s no way you can compare the cruelty involved in producing cow milk to that of producing oat milk for example. It’s not in the same universe.