[alpanka]

Come on people, it's not like gnome devs are masters of collaboration themselves.

Gnome designers can come up with a new direction that 99% of their users hate and they wouldn't even care.

Most recent releases have basically been "let's remove something everyone love and use every day, because we can". For example, they removed desktop icons and redesigned the dash to be big and ugly and always autohide and made display overview horizontal with no way to change back.

Ubuntu is using old gnome releases because if they upgraded to the last release half their paying customers would leave in anger.

[IshKebab]

I agree, they've shown a "we're doing it our way" attitude for years. Which is fine - they can do that if they want - just don't complain when people don't want to collaborate with you because you never consider anyone else's opinions.

Btw don't forget removing menu bars entirely and stuffing everything in a hamburger button. Who came up with that madness?

[md8z]

That is a misconception. The GNOME designers I have seen are not making decisions at random or removing things because they can, there actually is data and research to back up what they are doing. If you are a designer and are interested to know more then it would benefit to talk to them and ask them for their reasons, and then maybe you could contribute meaningfully from that angle. If there is something you think they missed, and you have the data to back it up (i.e. real usage data over long periods of time from large groups of users), then I think that would be helpful.

[alpanka]

How can you do UX design based on data, but without a proper feedback channel and at least some AB testing?

Most gnome users seem to use extensions that let them revert back to the old ways things were working. How about that as "real usage data"??

[ekianjo]

> there actually is data and research to back up what they are doing.

Oh really? There was data to back up that users wanted to start their desktop in Overview mode instead of the usual desktop? I'd be SUPER interested to see what kind of bullshit data was used, if this data ever exists. Right after this happened people created an extension to backtrack on this and this is one of the most popular extensions on GNOME extensions.