Ok I'll bite... that's not how this works, that's not how ANY of this works!
First off, vaccinations are done via intermuscular injections, not bloodstream injections.
Second, as cells produce the foreign proteins, they are captured and displayed by the MHC molecules, so this notion that 'spike protein coursing through the body' is a wild fabrication.
The body is good at degrading proteins. And honestly if you are worried about the mRNA vaccines doing bad things to you... I have news for you, SARS-CoV-2 injects a lot more mRNA into your cells, and lots more of those 'spike proteins' you're worried about are created, in a self-replicating pattern, until possibly you die. So you probably want to avoid SARS-CoV-2 a lot more than the mRNA vaccines.
>Second, as cells produce the foreign proteins, they are captured and displayed by the MHC molecules, so this notion that 'spike protein coursing through the body' is a wild fabrication.
> First off, vaccinations are done via intermuscular injections, not bloodstream injections.
The spike protein doesn't remain in the arm, it has been found everywhere in the body, including the brain, after vaccination. It was in the news a couple months ago.
I'm not commenting on the other points since I don't know enough. However I'll echo the worries of Factorium, I believe we should wait and see what are the long term results of this round of ARN vaccines before we start administering new ones massively.
I think that's what underlies a lot of this disagreement. Risk, and what risk is manageable, and who gets to shoulder it.
These allegedly affected athletes (if that's what really caused their issue), probably have a very different feeling and assessment about the manageability of their myocarditis vs covid risk, and they by-and-large didn't get to choose - the decision was made for them, in part because the risk of Covid in > 80s is 1000x+ higher. There wasn't any sort of democratic discussion and consensus about what risks we were willing to accept in either Covid or in possible vaccine effects, people were just told by the authorities what they were going to accept. So people with different risk profiles and people with different amounts of risk-willingness are are major levels of disagreement, even if they don't always frame it in those terms.
EDIT: Brief correction that the risk I was thinking of is in 85+ year olds, and it's only 570x the risk of 18-29 year olds, not more than 1000x.
CDC of US links COVID mRNA vaccines with increased risk of heart inflammation among young adult men, with a note that this is rare and these risks are smaller than risks of COVID.
I don't have any scientific papers, but I can tell you it's frequent to read in the local newspaper here (east of France) about some cardiac problem on amateur football (soccer) fields.
The last I read last week the guy's heart stopped 2 times before he could be rushed to the hospital.
There's also a list that is circulating on social medias of celebrities that had problems after their vaccines.
Is it linked? I don't know, but before the vaccines these kind of problems were almost unheard of.
ryanobjc|4 years ago
First off, vaccinations are done via intermuscular injections, not bloodstream injections.
Second, as cells produce the foreign proteins, they are captured and displayed by the MHC molecules, so this notion that 'spike protein coursing through the body' is a wild fabrication.
The body is good at degrading proteins. And honestly if you are worried about the mRNA vaccines doing bad things to you... I have news for you, SARS-CoV-2 injects a lot more mRNA into your cells, and lots more of those 'spike proteins' you're worried about are created, in a self-replicating pattern, until possibly you die. So you probably want to avoid SARS-CoV-2 a lot more than the mRNA vaccines.
logicchains|4 years ago
That's not true. The body continues to produce circulating exosomes expressing the spike protein for 4+ months after vaccination: https://www.jimmunol.org/content/early/2021/10/11/jimmunol.2...
jmnicolas|4 years ago
The spike protein doesn't remain in the arm, it has been found everywhere in the body, including the brain, after vaccination. It was in the news a couple months ago.
I'm not commenting on the other points since I don't know enough. However I'll echo the worries of Factorium, I believe we should wait and see what are the long term results of this round of ARN vaccines before we start administering new ones massively.
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oezi|4 years ago
The myocarditis risk in young males seems to be manageable.
Amezarak|4 years ago
These allegedly affected athletes (if that's what really caused their issue), probably have a very different feeling and assessment about the manageability of their myocarditis vs covid risk, and they by-and-large didn't get to choose - the decision was made for them, in part because the risk of Covid in > 80s is 1000x+ higher. There wasn't any sort of democratic discussion and consensus about what risks we were willing to accept in either Covid or in possible vaccine effects, people were just told by the authorities what they were going to accept. So people with different risk profiles and people with different amounts of risk-willingness are are major levels of disagreement, even if they don't always frame it in those terms.
EDIT: Brief correction that the risk I was thinking of is in 85+ year olds, and it's only 570x the risk of 18-29 year olds, not more than 1000x.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investi...
OrvalWintermute|4 years ago
logicchains|4 years ago
rowanG077|4 years ago
AndriyKunitsyn|4 years ago
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/my...
jmnicolas|4 years ago
The last I read last week the guy's heart stopped 2 times before he could be rushed to the hospital.
There's also a list that is circulating on social medias of celebrities that had problems after their vaccines.
Is it linked? I don't know, but before the vaccines these kind of problems were almost unheard of.