Male spaces. The freedom to vent about male issues.
Feminism goes out of their way to cancel male spaces while building up female spaces. Video games made by men for men? Bad, needs to include women! And so on. But when men tries to get a place in female spaces they just say "go make your own, don't depend on women for everything!", as if they let men make their own spaces...
Feminism also started shaming men who complain about women. Women are still allowed to complain freely about men. Don't they understand how damaging this is for men's mental health that they aren't allowed to let out steam while women are free to do so?
And lastly they are practicing a lot of toxic masculinity. If I bring up male issues as I did here, feminists will come and say things like "Are you so weak that you need to complain and let out steam just to manage your day? Grow up!", or "Why do you need your own space, can't you handle women around you? Don't be a child, just learn how to socialize and all your issues are solved!". Those are examples of toxic masculinity, they fail to acknowledge that there are actually a lot of weak men out there who would benefit greatly from having greater access to these things. But instead they just say that men have to be stoic or they aren't welcome in feminist society. And I bet this post will get such toxic masculinity responses from feminists who argue that men just have to be more stoic and everything will be fine.
"But feminists says men should cry more!", they say that, but they don't mean it. If a man cries such that it inconveniences a woman, guess what? It is the man who is bad. The woman complaining about the main crying is obviously correct, the man should have been stronger, but now he is so weak that it burdens the woman and that is bad. "But you can't expect a person to handle too much emotional labor!", well, the thing is, I've never seen a situation where a woman complained about a man crying and feminists didn't took her side. How can that be taken as anything but toxic masculinity? If they really wanted men to cry more then they should encourage women to handle that burden rather than totally drop the ball and shame men who dare to cry.
There are a lot of strawman arguments here. I've never heard feminists say any of these things because they are antithetical to the concept of equality for all. I'm a feminist, and asking for men's spaces is something I do. Feminists want spaces for men. Feminists want people to bring up male issues. Feminists don't want men to be stoic.
> If they really wanted men to cry more then they should encourage women to handle that burden rather than totally drop the ball and shame men who dare to cry.
There's some truth to this, but it's also omitting something that's extremely important (and therefore changes the entire tone of this argument): we should also encourage men to handle that burden rather than totally drop the ball and shame men who dare to cry. It's not men vs. women. It's men and women together. That's what feminism is.
>Feminism goes out of their way to cancel male spaces while building up female spaces. Video games made by men for men? Bad, needs to include women!
Oh yes, I totally remember the Feminist Jihad of 2016 when women rose up and destroyed Video Games forever!
Do you think that having diversity in video games, both in the creation and consumption of it is somehow destroying video games? If so that is your own sexism talking.
>as if they let men make their own spaces...
Men are free to make their own spaces. They do it all the time actually.
>Feminism also started shaming men who complain about women. Women are still allowed to complain freely about men. Don't they understand how damaging this is for men's mental health that they aren't allowed to let out steam while women are free to do so?
I can still complain about women. So can you. Feminists haven't stopped that. Unless by complain and let out steam about women you mean being misogynistic, then yeah that's your own sexism talking.
>If I bring up male issues as I did here, feminists will come and say things like "Are you so weak that you need to complain and let out steam just to manage your day? Grow up!", or "Why do you need your own space, can't you handle women around you? Don't be a child, just learn how to socialize and all your issues are solved!".
Emphasis on "how you did here" because what you are doing is creating straw men and being sexist. However men are free to talk about male issues. https://old.reddit.com/r/MensLib
Also, feminists aren't saying the shit you claim they are saying about men there. Not all women are feminists. Especially since you are claiming that
>But instead they just say that men have to be stoic or they aren't welcome in feminist society. And I bet this post will get such toxic masculinity responses from feminists who argue that men just have to be more stoic and everything will be fine.
Because feminists do not want men to be Stoics. They literally want men to talk about their issues, their emotions, and their wants and desires. The opposite of stoicism.
>But feminists says men should cry more!", they say that, but they don't mean it. If a man cries such that it inconveniences a woman, guess what? It is the man who is bad. The woman complaining about the main crying is obviously correct, the man should have been stronger, but now he is so weak that it burdens the woman and that is bad. "But you can't expect a person to handle too much emotional labor!", well, the thing is, I've never seen a situation where a woman complained about a man crying and feminists didn't took her side.
Again, I question if you've ever actually talked to a feminist before. I cry in front of my wife all the time. Feminists do not want men to be strong to the point of not wanting them to have emotions. That's not what feminism is about, at all. That's a prime example of internalized patriarchy on the part of the woman. You seem to think that feminist === woman. That is not at all the case.
Jensson|4 years ago
Feminism goes out of their way to cancel male spaces while building up female spaces. Video games made by men for men? Bad, needs to include women! And so on. But when men tries to get a place in female spaces they just say "go make your own, don't depend on women for everything!", as if they let men make their own spaces...
Feminism also started shaming men who complain about women. Women are still allowed to complain freely about men. Don't they understand how damaging this is for men's mental health that they aren't allowed to let out steam while women are free to do so?
And lastly they are practicing a lot of toxic masculinity. If I bring up male issues as I did here, feminists will come and say things like "Are you so weak that you need to complain and let out steam just to manage your day? Grow up!", or "Why do you need your own space, can't you handle women around you? Don't be a child, just learn how to socialize and all your issues are solved!". Those are examples of toxic masculinity, they fail to acknowledge that there are actually a lot of weak men out there who would benefit greatly from having greater access to these things. But instead they just say that men have to be stoic or they aren't welcome in feminist society. And I bet this post will get such toxic masculinity responses from feminists who argue that men just have to be more stoic and everything will be fine.
"But feminists says men should cry more!", they say that, but they don't mean it. If a man cries such that it inconveniences a woman, guess what? It is the man who is bad. The woman complaining about the main crying is obviously correct, the man should have been stronger, but now he is so weak that it burdens the woman and that is bad. "But you can't expect a person to handle too much emotional labor!", well, the thing is, I've never seen a situation where a woman complained about a man crying and feminists didn't took her side. How can that be taken as anything but toxic masculinity? If they really wanted men to cry more then they should encourage women to handle that burden rather than totally drop the ball and shame men who dare to cry.
akdas|4 years ago
> If they really wanted men to cry more then they should encourage women to handle that burden rather than totally drop the ball and shame men who dare to cry.
There's some truth to this, but it's also omitting something that's extremely important (and therefore changes the entire tone of this argument): we should also encourage men to handle that burden rather than totally drop the ball and shame men who dare to cry. It's not men vs. women. It's men and women together. That's what feminism is.
JasonCannon|4 years ago
Oh yes, I totally remember the Feminist Jihad of 2016 when women rose up and destroyed Video Games forever!
Do you think that having diversity in video games, both in the creation and consumption of it is somehow destroying video games? If so that is your own sexism talking.
>as if they let men make their own spaces...
Men are free to make their own spaces. They do it all the time actually.
>Feminism also started shaming men who complain about women. Women are still allowed to complain freely about men. Don't they understand how damaging this is for men's mental health that they aren't allowed to let out steam while women are free to do so?
I can still complain about women. So can you. Feminists haven't stopped that. Unless by complain and let out steam about women you mean being misogynistic, then yeah that's your own sexism talking.
>If I bring up male issues as I did here, feminists will come and say things like "Are you so weak that you need to complain and let out steam just to manage your day? Grow up!", or "Why do you need your own space, can't you handle women around you? Don't be a child, just learn how to socialize and all your issues are solved!".
Emphasis on "how you did here" because what you are doing is creating straw men and being sexist. However men are free to talk about male issues. https://old.reddit.com/r/MensLib
Also, feminists aren't saying the shit you claim they are saying about men there. Not all women are feminists. Especially since you are claiming that
>But instead they just say that men have to be stoic or they aren't welcome in feminist society. And I bet this post will get such toxic masculinity responses from feminists who argue that men just have to be more stoic and everything will be fine.
Because feminists do not want men to be Stoics. They literally want men to talk about their issues, their emotions, and their wants and desires. The opposite of stoicism.
>But feminists says men should cry more!", they say that, but they don't mean it. If a man cries such that it inconveniences a woman, guess what? It is the man who is bad. The woman complaining about the main crying is obviously correct, the man should have been stronger, but now he is so weak that it burdens the woman and that is bad. "But you can't expect a person to handle too much emotional labor!", well, the thing is, I've never seen a situation where a woman complained about a man crying and feminists didn't took her side.
Again, I question if you've ever actually talked to a feminist before. I cry in front of my wife all the time. Feminists do not want men to be strong to the point of not wanting them to have emotions. That's not what feminism is about, at all. That's a prime example of internalized patriarchy on the part of the woman. You seem to think that feminist === woman. That is not at all the case.