[winter_squirrel]

I agree, way to many "self improvement" people will try to wake up early without defining a rigid deadline to go to sleep by. If so, it ends up being unsustainable.

I've found that I naturally get very tired by 8:30-9pm and so it works well for my schedule (and then even if I go to bed later, theirs so much leeway between 4am and the time I actually need to start working (7-8am) that I can afford to not put an alarm and always just let my body get it's natural amount of sleep even if it means getting up closer to 5 or 6 once in a while).