[ajacksified]

I'm not surprised you made a throwaway to hide behind, because not only are you a coward, but this is the worst take I've ever seen on a website full of terrible takes. I can't imagine working for someone with this point of view, and I'll happily say that, on the record, without a throwaway account.

As an engineering manager- an actual one- I'm not paying for hours, I'm paying for output. I couldn't care less if my employee was working 15 hours or 40, as long as they got an appropriate amount of work done for my investment in them.

Are we praising someone for demanding itemized timesheets? How absolutely toxic.

[throwaway803453]

This is why I choose to be a contractor and an engineer. If I work, I bill. I never understood how anyone in good conscience can work 15hrs while the others at the company work 40hrs and still collect full-time benefits. As an engineer I have never had that luxury though, somehow we are always busy and I have to make an effort to reduce my billable hours without needing to pad them. I am probably also culturally biased from working class roots that overpraises hours worked and that mindset is admittedly self-defeating.

Preparing/eating a meal during a meeting is admittedly perk but it doesn't affect my focus or participation.

[piva00]

> This is why I choose to be a contractor and an engineer. If I work, I bill. I never understood how anyone in good conscience can work 15hrs while the others at the company work 40hrs and still collect full-time benefits.

If they are working 15h/week and delivering what is expected from them, who are you to guilt those into working the schedule you judge as "right"? My employer pays me to deliver them value, if I deliver the expected value for my salary in 10h instead of 40h am I in the wrong? Should I be forcing myself to work harder just because? Nah.

> I am probably also culturally biased from working class roots that overpraises hours worked and that mindset is admittedly self-defeating.

Yes, you are. I came from the same roots, had the same twisted view about "hard work" and judging others when I worked my ass off and saw some other people relaxing. After 17 years of career, this is all bullshit. I'm being paid for my expertise and my results, if my employer is happy with my results why the fuck should I bust my ass longer than needed? I have a life outside of work that I care much more about.

I do have a work ethic, I do my work with a lot of care, craft and thought, I deliver value and improve products and processes. I don't fucking care if I do that in 10 or 40 hours a week, it's a motivation for me to allow my laziness to be a driver for being more and more efficient and effective, so I can work less hours while delivering more value, being paid more per hour in the process.

> Preparing/eating a meal during a meeting is admittedly perk but it doesn't affect my focus or participation.

It's also a perk to have enough time (1h-1h30m) in the middle of the day to go enjoy your meal fully, to prepare it with care, without multitasking in some bullshit meeting just because you feel you need to be hyper-efficient.

The best perk I have of being a software engineer is that, comparatively to many other fields, our careers allow us to take back a lot of control of our own schedule and time.

[lupire]

If you feel guilty, give some of your pay to your coworkers or charity, not your capitalist overlord.