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throwvirtever | 4 years ago
When you set out to prove "for any set of n horses, every horse in that set has the same color" and you then "suppose for all sets of n horses, every horse in the set has the same color" as a first step, you're messing with a tautology, aren't you? I mean if you've supposed that it's true for all, it's definitely true for any, right?
What am I missing that makes the problem subtle and interesting, rather than just blatantly circular from the start?
mannerheim|4 years ago
na85|4 years ago
That's absurd. Anyone who's ever seen a field with horses in it would trivially know that this is a faulty assumption to make.
You might as well say "We can prove that coconuts can migrate. First, assume that coconuts can migrate. Thus, coconuts migrate".
It's equally valid logic.
phkahler|4 years ago
You don't get to assume the thing you're trying to prove is true as a part of the proof that it's true. The only time we assume something like that is in a proof by contradiction, where the contradiction implies either an error in our logic, or an error in the assumptions.
shkkmo|4 years ago
one is proving the inductive rule that: p(n) implies p(n+1)
the other is proving that there exists some number i for which p(i) is true. This, combined with the proof of the inductive rule, allows you to prove that p(n) is true for all n >= i.
LanceH|4 years ago
1. There exists some number of horses where all horses are of the same color. This is obviously true when you have 1 horse.
2. The second step is that you have to prove that if you have some number of horses n, and they are all of the same color, then if you add another horse all the horses are of the same color.
He's saying there is some set of n+1 horses, n of which are of the same color. Then he makes the (false) claim that removing one horse at random leaves you with n horses, which therefore must all be of the same color. This is incorrect because the assumption is that there is a set of n horses, not "if you have n number of horses they are all the same color.
The base case of n=1 is just fine. It's adding a randomly colored horse to a set of horses that doesn't always result in an n+1 set of like-colored horses. He doesn't even explain the illogical step correctly, so the whole thing is a mess.
ajuc|4 years ago
the final proof is:
the assumption that A is true for N was just used as a condition in the implicationIf A(N) is false in general - you would realize that despite assuming it - because the implication or the base case couldn't be proven.