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dwwoelfel | 4 years ago

It has been two weeks since Fastly's VP of Eng called out your ToS and errors in your benchmark in her original tweet thread [1]. I would hope that Cloudflare would have a better response than this that directly addresses Fastly's claims.

Are you going to remove the ToS clause or issue a correction on the blog post?

[1] https://twitter.com/lxt/status/1462896850055352320

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kentonv|4 years ago

To be clear my comment here is not in any way, shape, or form, Cloudflare's response. I am here representing only myself.

dcow|4 years ago

Sure, but you self-identified as someone responsible for the project and then suggested people go violate the ToS by running their own benchmarks. I think the community here calling out the double standards and asking for an update/response is entirely fair. If you didn't want the flak then leave off the "I'm the tech lead on CF workers" intro. Seems to me like the ball is in your court to at least try and make your advice actionable.

Waterluvian|4 years ago

FWIW that semantic difference is meaningless to me. A senior member of CF just commented in detail about CF and a competitor.

ddtaylor|4 years ago

It seems weird to want to claim authority (eg. that you are the tech lead) but not be willing to also be accountable for your statements.

NicoJuicy|4 years ago

If you know a little about how corporations work, than a tech lead is not responsible for a ToS, probably doesn't know anything about it and that's fine. Since it's not expected either.

It's the legal department... And the CEO already mentioned that they are removing it and he gave a valid response/reason.

It seems that they will actually benchmark Fastly in detail now ( could be after another improvement week), which probably isn't what Fastly wanted.

Something definitely seems to be happening if you read their response and i'm awaiting it with actual stats!

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29468771

@dwwoelfel that's what you wanted? :)

dwwoelfel|4 years ago

My experience working at tech companies is that the tech lead, or anybody at the company, can post in an internal message board or slack to ask "what's up with this weird clause in our ToS" and expect an explanation.

It's nice that eastdakota responded here, but he had two weeks since the original tweet thread from Fastly's VP of Eng calling out the problems with their benchmarking. They didn't respond or retract the blog post in those two weeks.

As a cloudflare shareholder (and a fastly shareholder), I want Cloudflare to act ethically and either retract the blog post or issue a correction.

staticassertion|4 years ago

I wouldn't expect everyone at Cloudflare to be intimately following every competitor's blog posts tbh

dwwoelfel|4 years ago

But I'd bet kentonv was following this one, since he said "until Fatly complained about it" and not "until I read the blog post".