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poetically | 4 years ago

This is a common confusion. My argument is with profits and not with human nature because human nature is malleable. People can change their eating habits, they can change their transportation habits, they can change institutional arrangements that favor profits over well-being, they can change the forms of market transactions they find valuable.

This isn't anything deep. These are just basic facts.

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mlyle|4 years ago

Grandparent said.

> > Money is the medium of transaction of human needs and desires. Profit causes global warming only in so much as it fulfills human needs and desires for light, heat, transportation, industry, and energy in general.

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> My argument is with profits and not with human nature because human nature is malleable. People can change their eating habits, they can change their transportation habits

To the extent that people change to not demand things that cause global warming, providers of such things will not be rewarded with profits. So, I don't understand the gymnastics to point at a "profit" motive rather than intrinsic motivations from this "human nature".

nawgz|4 years ago

> I don’t understand the gymnastics

100 corporations produce 70% of the pollution, this is the common mantra right? I don’t think there’s any gymnastics here. It’s clear that the unchecked power of corporations - structures entirely dedicated to profit - has lead to unchecked damages against the environment as single men are enabled to take terrible actions and then hide (legally speaking) behind the amorphous profit entity.

Perhaps this is “human nature” in as much as the nature of the most depraved of us is to destroy everything in pursuit of self interest, but it’s, philosophically speaking, an extremely weak and narrow-minded argument you make here to imply the modern man is to blame for the modern problems, and not those powerful in his society

poetically|4 years ago

What exactly in human nature requires profit?

slibhb|4 years ago

Far from basic facts. Human nature changes on an evolutionary timescale but not otherwise. Cultures change rapidly but we don't change them.

AbrahamParangi|4 years ago

So you believe that you have a way of changing the nature of humanity? This seems like the big claim, rather than the small one.

poetically|4 years ago

Read what I said instead of projecting what you think I said. I did not say anything about changing human nature.