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jfrunyon | 4 years ago

> I'm afraid we've completely forgotten to separate the means from the end goal.

I'm afraid we've completely forgotten "the ends don't justify the means". ;)

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mst|4 years ago

I tend to think about it as: The ends never justify the means, but sometimes the ends are important enough that you do it anyway.

As a limiting example, I don't consider violence to ever be a good thing per se, but I still accept its use in self defence. I don't like using the word 'justified' to describe that acceptance, though that may say more about how I see 'justified' as a concept than it does about anything concrete.