Boeing suspends vaccine mandate for U.S. employees

[amanaplanacanal]

Honestly none of this is going to matter. The unvaccinated are all going to get the omicron variant over the next few weeks, and after that everybody’s immunity will be pretty much the same, vaccinated or not.

[steve_coral]

I’m triple vaxxxed and got omicron. I’m not saying don’t get vaccinated, but this is coming for everyone. NYC is getting completely slammed right now. My honest hope is that this is the last wave that’s truly a showstopper - omicron so far for me has been about a mild sinus infection.

[perl4ever]

I think where I am vaccination rates are upwards of 90%, so I would think essentially everyone getting it is vaccinated or has had a previous variant. Or both.

Multiple sites I've tried for making a booster appointment make you choose a location and a day before they tell you "nope, no appointments available". That seems insane, but it also seems to be a pattern and I'm wondering if there are weird incentives that caused them to design it that way instead of telling you what is available.

[egberts1]

LOL! You should check hospitals to see how many fully-vaccinated got checked into ER for Omicron. The admission rate of Omicron over Delta is like ten times worse but its severity is what only milder and much shorter ER visit.

[mbg721]

Why would it matter what anyone's immunity level was? Having antibodies doesn't matter for the mandates, it's just more shots good, fewer shots bad.

[cyanydeez]

the science doesnt indicate that:

1. immune response is longer lasting than vaccines

2. that omicron is more deadly than predecessors

3. that prior coronovirus infection makes you less prone to omicron

get vaccinated.

[nradov]

The court ruling was reversed today so apparently the OSHA vaccine mandate on large employees is back in effect.

https://www.npr.org/2021/12/17/1065401498/bidens-osha-vaccin...

[landemva]

Until USSC does a review. From that link, 'a motion requesting a new emergency stay has been filed with the U.S. Supreme Court.'

The OSHA mandate is ridiculous. The MSHA approach is adequate and reasonable, and MSHA really does safety and not just safety theater. Yes, I am a MSHA regulated miner.

[bitlax]

Yeah do that.

[pyuser583]

I know a few anti-vaxxers, and they’re more concerned about vitamins and colon cleanses than doctrines of mainstream religions.

[shrubble]

The wording is 'sincerely held religious belief' and that's a key phrase in the legislation, as I understand it.

[dukeofdoom]

You don't need to part of major religion to gain exemption. Some people simply stated that their body is their temple. I don't think you even need religious thinking at all. If you held strong sincere moral and ethical position, like the need to preserve your right to bodily autonomy.

[pessimizer]

Protestantism isn't a religion, it's thousands of different ones, one for each church or individual who believes they're getting direct revelation or that they've found a new way to read the Bible by taking out every prime-numbered verse or something.

Government should get out of the business of defining religion, and tax them like everyone else unless they can prove they operate in some sort of secularly charitable way (like everyone else.) And if government gets out of the business of defining religion, it should get out of the business of religious exemptions. Make it required or make it optional for people regardless of belief. It's perverse to make me prove that my belief is purely, religiously irrational in order to get an exemption.

Imagine a judge saying: "Sorry, that reason you've given for not allowing your child to have a blood transfusion makes a lot of sense, so it's not a religious belief. Therefore I order that the child be given the blood transfusion."

[bitlax]

They're not claiming a general exemption from vaccination.

[rdtwo]

All of them

[Trias11]

It doesn't matter.

If politians are trying to force people to take a jab they don't beleive they need - people will use an escape shute instead of the door.

[RKearney]

This ignores the fact that there are other religious reasons to oppose it, such as the fact that fetal cell lines from aborted fetuses were used to test the vaccine.

[claaams]

Boeing runs everything so poorly (and lately literally into the ground) so hearing this it is not surprising.

[R0b0t1]

I think it is pretty surprising. They're getting strong pushback internally from ostensibly well educated employees.

[throwawaysea]

Bodily autonomy is a fundamental civil liberty.

[actually_a_dog]

Unfortunately, the Supreme Court disagrees with you in this particular circumstance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts