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hermes8329 | 4 years ago

Is that sarcasm? The Israelis spying on the us is hardly anything new

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bawolff|4 years ago

There's a pretty big difference between israel, the country spying on somebody out of national interest, and israel allowing what is essentially an arms-dealer based in israel to help random other people spy on countries they are allied with.

I highly doubt that israel the country wanted this turn of events, for the simple reason they are not stupid and the cost-benefit ratio of this seems bad for them.

wayoutthere|4 years ago

The state of Israel is already one of the most prolific arms dealers in the world. Something like 10% of weapons (everything from rifles and ammo to tanks and precision guided missiles) sold every year globally are made in Israel. They will sell to anyone (through intermediaries if the political optics don’t align), and have ample opportunity to combat test weapons thanks to the low-grade civil war they’ve been waging against the Arabs for the last 70 years.

They won’t want to be seen as reining in Israeli military overreach because there’s a feeder pipeline from the Israeli military into both politics and the weapons industry. It’s the same people running the country that are selling these weapons.

hermes8329|4 years ago

History has shown that the two are tightly involved. Plus it's not like they will ever really be held accountable. Pollard the traitor is a hero to Israel

vkou|4 years ago

> There's a pretty big difference between israel, the country spying on somebody out of national interest, and israel allowing what is essentially an arms-dealer based in israel to help random other people spy on countries they are allied with.

Yes and sort of and no.

The thing with weapons is that occasionally you sell them to people you end up fighting. Take the Falklands war - Argentina was using American, French, and British weapons to fight the British. It happens, it's a bit of egg on everyone's face, but it is what it is.

When you're a major arms dealer, you'll eventually end up selling guns to an enemy of your ally, or supposed ally.

yardie|4 years ago

A bit of both. I assume they can spy on the US through 5-eyes, 9-eyes, 27eyes, etc. But to allow Uganda to do it was a bridge too far. If NSO had been in almost any other country there wouldn't be a building left standing. The US regards cyberattacks as an act of war.

pc86|4 years ago

If the US really regarded cyberattacks as an act of war, it would be actively shooting missiles and bullets at China right now. The US regards cyberattacks as acts of war when convenient, nothing more.

hulahoof|4 years ago

But Israel isn't a part of any of those agreements, it would be just as likely they spy on the US via a direct partnership with US agencies