It's interesting how science-like yt video channels like https://youtu.be/vpwSYQelMEg?t=176 make the case that endocarditis is unusually high (let's say 14 of 7.14million), and saying "we don't know what the baseline is but..."
when you can easily look back a few years and look up stats (took me 10 seconds):
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/JAHA.116.005306 where baseline is 1/50k^ Any comment to this effect is deleted/unapproved. I can only assume this is the new kind of anti-vax propaganda, to get around yt rules.
^While the instances of vaccine-related endocarditis are relatively high for the 20s to 40s male groups, for children there's nothing to suggest endocarditis is a specific side-effect, afaik.
WHO: "As a matter of global equity, as long as many parts of the world are facing extreme vaccine shortages, countries that have achieved high vaccine coverage in their high-risk populations should prioritize global sharing of COVID-19 vaccines through the COVAX facility before proceeding to vaccination of children and adolescents who are at low risk for severe disease."
Germany: "Since children and adolescents have a relatively low risk of getting seriously ill with COVID-19, the risk-benefit assessment of illness or vaccination is different than for adults. Therefore, the STIKO has not issued a general recommendation to vaccinate all children from the age of 12, but recommends that children and adolescents with certain underlying conditions who are particularly at risk get the coronavirus vaccination"
France: "In the light of these elements and taking into account the evolution of the epidemic, the HAS considers that the individual benefit of the vaccination has been established for children aged 5 to 11 years with comorbidities and who are at risk of severe forms of Covid-19 and death. In total, this concerns a little over 360,000 children in France."
The technology for this vaccine is over 20 years old. Just because it's the first authorized one of its kind doesn't make it "experimental"
> with no long term studies
There are also no long term studies on the effects of COVID. There are no modern vaccines that have ever had and significant long term effects that didn't manifest within the first month or so after vaccination. (Dr. Offit goes over this in an episode of Oh No! With Ross and Carrie: https://maximumfun.org/episodes/oh-no-ross-and-carrie/ross-a...).
> questionable efficacy
In fact, we know the efficacy to be quite high. Just because something isn't perfect doesn't make it worthless. It's still the best way to prevent infection.
> A lower mortality than the flu
We're talking about a difference in mortality for children of around .01%. Even if true, it's an irrelevant fact. The main personal argument is to protect others in the family, including possible immunocompromised individuals. I've personally lost a mother and two grandparents during this pandemic. You really think, if given the choice between killing their grandparents (with a high likelihood) and a 1/80,000 chance of serious side effects (and no reported deaths) from a vaccine, that most people should opt not to get the vaccine? You fucking psychopath.
Is there even any proposed mechanism that would give rise to long term effects (that show up months or years later) from this vaccine? I’ve never encountered any credible hypotheses, whereas we have plenty of preliminary evidence and proposed mechanisms for long term health effects arising from Covid.
The vaccines have held up very well at reducing risk of severe Covid, and it’s becoming clear that with appropriate dosing the side effect profile is lower than the risk from infection, even if that risk is relatively low for some demographics.
Also, consider the early reports from South Africa and New York that omicron is resulting in more severe disease in children.
You can wait for thirty years. This will also give you time to learn about long-term effects of the disease. Read this, for example, and then think about what you think is most risky in the long term, the virus or the vaccines:
It is funny how the VAERS data is only reliable when thought convenient
Although looking at the high number of reports it is apparent that children suffer way more from the vaccine than covid. In the short term, long term is impossible to know the consequences of both
This is based on VAERS and also v-safe data, and the CDC has done some review. They don’t seem to be trying to estimate rates from this data, which is one of the more common errors made when looking at VAERS data
Also, it’s a bit more than 4k reported adverse, and only 100 serious ones, for a population of 8.9 million. That’s not a large number of reports; the number of serious adverse events is less than the number of children that died of Covid in the US since the start of the pandemic.
Finally, I don’t think there’s any a priori reason to think the long term effects of this vaccine will be any different than for previous vaccines.
[+] [-] Supermancho|4 years ago|reply
when you can easily look back a few years and look up stats (took me 10 seconds): https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/JAHA.116.005306 where baseline is 1/50k^ Any comment to this effect is deleted/unapproved. I can only assume this is the new kind of anti-vax propaganda, to get around yt rules.
^While the instances of vaccine-related endocarditis are relatively high for the 20s to 40s male groups, for children there's nothing to suggest endocarditis is a specific side-effect, afaik.
[+] [-] 0-_-0|4 years ago|reply
[+] [-] vasuki|4 years ago|reply
- https://www.who.int/news/item/24-11-2021-interim-statement-o...
Germany: "Since children and adolescents have a relatively low risk of getting seriously ill with COVID-19, the risk-benefit assessment of illness or vaccination is different than for adults. Therefore, the STIKO has not issued a general recommendation to vaccinate all children from the age of 12, but recommends that children and adolescents with certain underlying conditions who are particularly at risk get the coronavirus vaccination"
- https://www.zusammengegencorona.de/en/corona-schutzimpfung-a...
France: "In the light of these elements and taking into account the evolution of the epidemic, the HAS considers that the individual benefit of the vaccination has been established for children aged 5 to 11 years with comorbidities and who are at risk of severe forms of Covid-19 and death. In total, this concerns a little over 360,000 children in France."
- https://www.has-sante.fr/jcms/p_3302411/fr/covid-19-la-has-r...
[+] [-] timintheglades|4 years ago|reply
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[+] [-] moeris|4 years ago|reply
The technology for this vaccine is over 20 years old. Just because it's the first authorized one of its kind doesn't make it "experimental"
> with no long term studies
There are also no long term studies on the effects of COVID. There are no modern vaccines that have ever had and significant long term effects that didn't manifest within the first month or so after vaccination. (Dr. Offit goes over this in an episode of Oh No! With Ross and Carrie: https://maximumfun.org/episodes/oh-no-ross-and-carrie/ross-a...).
> questionable efficacy
In fact, we know the efficacy to be quite high. Just because something isn't perfect doesn't make it worthless. It's still the best way to prevent infection.
> A lower mortality than the flu
We're talking about a difference in mortality for children of around .01%. Even if true, it's an irrelevant fact. The main personal argument is to protect others in the family, including possible immunocompromised individuals. I've personally lost a mother and two grandparents during this pandemic. You really think, if given the choice between killing their grandparents (with a high likelihood) and a 1/80,000 chance of serious side effects (and no reported deaths) from a vaccine, that most people should opt not to get the vaccine? You fucking psychopath.
[+] [-] rsfern|4 years ago|reply
The vaccines have held up very well at reducing risk of severe Covid, and it’s becoming clear that with appropriate dosing the side effect profile is lower than the risk from infection, even if that risk is relatively low for some demographics.
Also, consider the early reports from South Africa and New York that omicron is resulting in more severe disease in children.
[+] [-] ManuelKiessling|4 years ago|reply
[+] [-] progfix|4 years ago|reply
* Vaccination are meant to prevent the spread of the virus
* we don't know anything about long term effects of an Covid infection
* Covid could mutate into a super deadly virus if it stays around
[+] [-] Arnt|4 years ago|reply
https://www.alz.org/aaic/releases_2021/covid-19-cognitive-im...
[+] [-] pcdoodle|4 years ago|reply
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[+] [-] guilhas|4 years ago|reply
Although looking at the high number of reports it is apparent that children suffer way more from the vaccine than covid. In the short term, long term is impossible to know the consequences of both
[+] [-] rsfern|4 years ago|reply
Also, it’s a bit more than 4k reported adverse, and only 100 serious ones, for a population of 8.9 million. That’s not a large number of reports; the number of serious adverse events is less than the number of children that died of Covid in the US since the start of the pandemic.
Finally, I don’t think there’s any a priori reason to think the long term effects of this vaccine will be any different than for previous vaccines.