[nzmsv]

Not an anti-vaxxer, but comments like this are even better antivaxx fodder :)

I understand where you are coming from, but the ultimate goal is to stop COVID, not get everyone a jab in the arm. If the jabs (legitimately) stop working we should stop the jabs. Compliance with COVID rules isn't a goal unto itself.

Vacccinating mice is a fun idea to think about, but you'd have to develop vaccines for squirrels, raccoons, and pigeons shortly after the mouse one. Also think about all the unintended consequences (your food vaccine getting into waterways, for example). So yeah, this is the kind of idea that makes antivaxxers look sane.

[inter_netuser]

Please, let's not try doing Marek's disease in humans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marek%27s_disease

"The evolution of Marek's disease due to vaccination has had a profound effect on the poultry industry. All chickens across the globe are now vaccinated against Marek's disease (birds hatched in private flocks for laying or exhibition are rarely vaccinated). Highly virulent strains have been selected to the point that any chicken that is unvaccinated will die if infected.[14] Other leaky vaccines are commonly used in agriculture. One vaccine in particular is the vaccine for avian influenza. Leaky vaccine use for avian influenza can select for virulent strains.[15]"

[nzmsv]

OK, I'm probably going to burn a bunch of karma on this comment, but this is very interesting. For example, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4516275/ looks like a legitimate piece of research.

Isn't this exactly what we are doing with the current COVID vaccines? How does one explore this question without being labeled a crazy antivaxxer?

[fer]

The Marek disease scenario is more a result of massification of poultry industry and the fact that Marek-infected chickens are infectious for life, rather than the vaccination itself. That's several orders of magnitude higher in terms of mutation lottery tickets.

If you're gonna use the ever-classic Marek scenario to push against vaccination, at least use it against the vaccination of a disease that shares some basic characteristics with MD.