CSVCHAIN - NFTs backed by CSV technology

[dang]

All: please keep threads like this from degenerating into the same-old-flamewar we've already had hundreds of times at this point. It has become super tedious. Also, tedious threads inevitably turn nasty (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...).

If you have something genuinely new or curious to say, great. Otherwise please move on.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

[asciimike]

I see that CSVCHAIN is "held in cold storage on this USB drive" a 1 GB thumb drive. This seems to imply an upper bound on the number of NFTs on CSVCHAIN. How, I wonder, does the creator of this project expect to scale CSVCHAIN beyond this limit?

Additionally, can we secure guarantees that the project owner is safely ejecting the USB drive in question?

[weego]

Once Roy makes some $ he could horizontally scale to a 2GB drive. Or 2 1GB drives and keep one in his sock draw so it's distributed in his house.

[ctrlaltesc]

This should be possible using "split" technology: https://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/spli...

[shiado]

Has anybody ever thought of something like a real world NFT? Imagine if you took a bunch of dried plant pigments and mixed them with oil and smeared them onto a canvas. Because it is physical it couldn't be duplicated or double-spent and it has a simple materials-based minting cost. I don't think anybody has done this before and there is probably a large market for buying and selling something like this. These are early days.

[Zambyte]

This is not a good metaphor for NFTs. The content of any NFT can be perfectly duplicated by anyone. The only part of an NFT that matters is the signature. A better analogy would be musicians signing CDs / vinyls, sports players signing player cards / equipment, etc.

People buying NFTs created by nobodies are simply getting scammed. The physical metaphor here would be like paying a random amateur sports player to sign some equipment.

[gcampos]

I got you fam: https://github.com/william-fields/witless#ntf-support

[canarypilot]

Next you will want a building in which to keep these objects, which will of course need heating and lighting (need I even start to compute the power cost…) and will take up real estate that could otherwise be used for apartments where people could literally LIVE!

You’ve also failed to account for right clickers (so named for the click of a camera shutter, normally triggered by a button to the right of the camera) who can simply take a picture of your object and trade it as they like… This will surely reduce the value of any one of your works to zero!

(In all seriousness, NFT’s gotta be stopped!)

[throw_nbvc1234]

This must explain the resurgence of Vinyl records; gotta have a physical music collection.

[mitchdoogle]

Creating physical art when it can be done digitally is a waste of resources

[tata71]

ngmi

[mattwad]

Haha, love it. I wonder if the typo in this line was intentional: > All transactions are manually entered by Roy to minimized mistakes.

[chewbacha]

It also makes the transactions atomic and serialized!

[stjohnswarts]

I love that it looks like the 90s was

[tiarafawn]

> By purchasing an NFT you have the right to say that you are the person that purchased that NFT.

Complete and accurate.

[mwattsun]

Where's the smart contract capability? Smart contracts are important in certain applications, which is why I store purchases in XML and do transformative contracts in XSLT. Version 2.0 of XSLT is Turing-Complete, with the added advantage that XSLT syntax is a specialized form of XML, so I only have to use one syntax for coins and contracts. I call mine Dotcom Bubble Chain.

[mpyne]

> I call mine Dotcom Bubble Chain.

It may or may not surprise you to find out that the U.S. Navy came ->this<- close to trying to standardize all data storage and data interchange on XML, in 2018, so that we could use XSLT and other XML technologies so that they could "Enable maximum use of commercial products built to this standard", "Improve cybersecurity at the data element layer by using the XML Security Assertion Markup Language (SAML) protocol", and "Enable compression of data using the XML EXI specification for efficient bandwidth usage over limited satellite communication channels".

[easrng]

Meh, why use XSLT when you could use Lisp? It's also homoiconic and you can claim it involves AI.

[chrischen]

Assuming Roy is smart, his manually entering transactions is the smart capability.

[gcampos]

In the same vein: https://github.com/william-fields/witless

[DanHulton]

I have also built a site designed to poke a bit of fun at the idea of artificial scarcity on the internet: https://ipaidthemost.com/

Came up with it before NFTs, but it's only more relevant these days.

[davesque]

> How do I pay with cryptocurrency?

> Easy, you just need to convert it to USD first.

> Is this for real?

> Sure

> Is this performance art?

> Maybe?

Love it. I think Roy's making a killing off this.

[Johnie]

Cash is both ANONYMOUS and UNTRACKABLE. Bitcoin is only ANONYMOUS.

Cash FTW!

[jedimastert]

This is amazing. It might actually make it easier for me to explain what NFTs actually are if they're completely separated from a blockchain and the rest of the malarkey.

[miracle2k]

I'm a huge NFT enthusiast and collector. This project gets NFTs exactly right. It's frankly refreshing to see someone seemingly get it - most of the critiques are just so bad. It's just that: I don't see the problem at all. I'd encourage you all to buy NFTs on CSVChain, ideally from real artists committed to their craft.

[bradtheappguy]

I'm disappointed that I read the headline wrong. I thought these NFTs were powered by CVS technology.

[weare138]

CVS blockchains are printed on one long continuous receipt and occasionally gives you $2.00 off NFTs if you have a CVS card.

[roycoding]

This is roycoding, the creator of CSVchain. Thanks everyone for checking it out.

Just so you know, I currently have a bit of a backlog of requests to manually process.

This was all very unexpected. I made this recently and then today started getting messages that Matt Levine wrote about something similar in his newsletter today. I tweeted at him and he then tweeted about it to his large following. So here we are on HN!

If you've contacted me, I promise to message you back, but it might take a day or so.

[actusual]

> By purchasing an NFT you have the right to say that you are the person that purchased that NFT.

Tell me more....

[hulitu]

I'm waiting for TXTCHAIN - NFTs backed by TXT technology.

[boopboopbadoop]

I have one-upped TXTCHAIN with PAPERCHAIN. In order to ensure decentralization, I have a webcam pointed at my PAPERCHAIN paper ledger that is active at all times. Other PAPERCHAIN paper ledger node-people maintain the same setup, and they duplicate the changes I make to my PAPERCHAIN, and vice versa.

Longest latency in the game, invest before it’s too late.

[stjohnswarts]

"Nothing will ever be prepended to this file" "we guarantee it"

[pcthrowaway]

Even better: Shiitcoin, a zero-free blockchain whose ledger is Google Sheets:

  - https://github.com/nalinbhardwaj/shiit-coin
  - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dZpRryIuQ0

[rchaud]

Critical security flaw: right-clicking is enabled!

[mitchdoogle]

I don't understand why people view the ability to copy something as a negative with NFTs. Everything can be copied. Even physical objects can be copied. Why does a museum buy a Van Gogh when they can just commission a replica, or easier yet, take a photo and print it on canvas?

[Stratoscope]

Ah, but that only gives you the actual image, not the CSVCHAIN NFT that proves it is your image.

[bowmessage]

Wow, transaction confirmation times are really slow. I've been waiting for my purchase to go through for an hour now.

[Arch-TK]

The confirmation server might be asleep.

[Johnie]

I'm sure if you send him higher gas fees, he'll confirm faster.

[emptybottle]

I know this is a gag, but it misses the point.

NFTs are interesting because they support smart contracts, use a cryptocurrency wallet system to manage value and ownership, can be minted in quantities > 1, support unlockable content, etc.

[scyclow]

Amazing website! I think it also (inadvertently) paints a very clear value proposition as to why NFTs make more sense on a blockchain than on a central service.

[testemailfordg2]

Found this funny on the site, can you catch the pun. "All transactions are manually entered by Roy to minimized mistakes."

[aaroninsf]

For one helium-filled glorious moment I misread the title and thought the store for this was some exploitation of CVS receipts.

[markstos]

Not to be confused with the CVS CHAIN.

[asciimike]

Ah yes, where NFTs are stored on CVS receipts. Given the recent meter long receipts I've gotten from my local CVS, it's entirely possible they are already doing this.

[brandrada]

So, how do I mint these NFts that are backed using this technology?

[neiled]

This sounds a lot like Matt Levine's newsletter today (Money Stuff). So funny!

[bambax]

Yes it does. It's curious since he's listed as the first owner on this, and just announced he was making an Excelchain (like CSVchain but with Excel -- the more technology the better I guess?)

Matt Levine is a great writer. I have little interest in finance but enjoy his newsletter immensely. Highly recommended.

[thescribbblr]

Is this a joke?

[serious_habit]

Are NFTs a joke?

[jedimastert]

It's a technically complete POC of NFTs, as far as I can tell.

[rasmi]

See: https://csvchain.com/#faq

[oneplane]

Yes, this is an NFT.

[DevKoala]

Is it censorship proof?

[m3kw9]

Now this is a case where I’d use a blockchain like Ethereum instead

[dang]

Please don't do this here.

[NikolaNovak]

My current way to explain to non techies is that it's like those "Name a star" sales:

* Artificial seeming scarcity out of something that's inherently abundant

* No actual ownership of actual thing

* Instead, a overly-detailed focus on mechanics of the process: We will send you a gilded certificate; we will put your entry into a leather bound book; this cook will be registered with United States Copyright Office; it will be added to Library of Congress, etc etc etc - giving seeming legitimacy to the endevour

The only thing that's missing, and it's a critical difference, is the complete lack of secondary market for named stars :D

[fleventynine]

A marriage certificate that you bought from some random guy on the street and has no legal significance.

[zbuf]

> Imagine you have a wife

I feel like this comedian knows their audience

[easrng]

Who would drill a hole in a human being?!

Seriously though, implying that somebody having sex with multiple people makes them worthless is horrible. Also, if someone and their partner have incompatible expectations or boundaries then they should break up. What's forcing you to stay with your hypothetical wife? Seems like she'd be better off without you anyway.

[a_t48]

> Imagine you have a wife and your wife is being drilled by everyone and you can't do anything about it.

Some people are into that, I try not to judge :)

[vmception]

The marriage certificate is what gets you various benefits, not the pretty stylizing on it (or the way the spouse looks) or the people that took a picture of it.

NFT collectors are valuing that authentication to various benefits first, and imagery second.

I get the impression people are not able to separate whats going on in the 1/1 market versus the collections marker. Just an allergy to the acronym NFT.

[rfd4sgmk8u]

No, this is gross. It implies that marriage certificates grants you the exclusive rights to have sex with another party.

[ForgotMyPwOops]

My understanding is that this is not correct, it conflates all NFT transactions without nuance, if one buys intellectual property via NFT and can prove it (which is ostensibly NFT's raison d'etre) then I see no reason why they couldn't exercise their rights to it (i.e. sue for copyright infringement, ect)

[acdha]

You don’t have to worry about it if you solve real problems.

The cryptocurrency backlash is coming after a decade of salespeople showing up to make breathless pitches about a fantasy world where you need to pay up front for results they think they might be able to deliver if you give them enough money, but no guarantees.

(Remember the guy who mocked Dropbox? He existed but very clearly did not speak for even a majority of people here.)

[actusual]

Vile hatred? It's a joke website.

Also, if you truly believe in a technology and its future, doesn't "everyone hating it" just widen the inefficiency gap for some folks to make a bunch of money on a technology they are certain will be valuable one day?

[tgv]

Yeah, those poor emphatic NFT merchants. What’s next? Ridiculing MLM?

[actually_a_dog]

Some ideas deserve to be mocked.

[rfd4sgmk8u]

Most NFTs are pretty much a scam, but:

This is the kind of joke for people that think they are clever but don't really understand the situation. Its kind an ignorant position, reminds me of a 'brb downloading RAM' joke. Or sending someone a plastic Bitcoin. or Faxing dollar bills.

Someone made a web site, ok. Guess we don't need fancy Blogging platforms now.

[rchaud]

I imagine the ownership rights granted by minting on CSV would hold up in court exactly as well as NFTs minted on OpenSea.

The RAM joke is quite obviously a joke because everyone knows that RAM chips are physical goods that are obviously finite in supply.

[literalsunbear]

C'mon now.