"Absolutely wrong.
Timestamp is the time of pdf download. Everytime you repeat the process timestamp will change.
Difference in confirmation code is because he used 2 different state labs on 16th and 22nd.
Very poor analysis, I have to conclude."[1]
"You need to understand that these papers are not fakes. Both tests, database records as well as pdf certificates are 100% legit.
He and his family have enough influence in state institutions to organize 100% original PCR certificate but with false positive result."[2]
"I have now checked your theory with my PCR test from October 1st. I have downloaded it now from http://e-zdravlje.gov.rs, scan QR code and timestamp from URL is 1641917096 (Tue Jan 11 2022 16:04:56 GMT). So timestamp in URL is not when test is done, but when test is downloaded"[3]
This is very sad development for me, Djokovic's countryman who really bought his story. Nut facts are facts.
I can share my own (positive) test, which confirms timestamp and id theory. My test was taken on the 7th January, it was a rapid test, not a PCR. But it's in the same government database:
Timestamp: 1641591150, which translates to GMT: Friday, 7. January 2022. 21:32:30. That seems to be right, it was taken earlier on the 7th and probably entered later to the central database.
Also, ID of my test is: 7601263. Djokovic IDs are 7371999 (16/12 test) and 7320919 (22/12 test).
It really looks like IDs are incremental, and that his test that was supposedly taken on the 16th was taken on the later date.
One consolation fact is that he wasn't positive when he took photos with kids on 17th.
EDIT:
I messed up and copied Novak's QR url! fixed now!
Unfortunately the Serbian registry doesn't provide a timestamp for when each test was taken.
But our intrepid OSINT researcher discovered that the data in the QR code begins with a UNIX timestamp, such as cqcode=1640187792... and cqcode=1640524880...
From that one might infer that the positive test actually happened 4 days after the negative test.
The documents Djokovic provided to the court claim the positive test happened 7 days before the negative test.
'Цовид-19' has to be one of the laziest transliterations I've ever seen. Coronavirus is spelled with an initial К in every Cyrillic-using language I'm aware of, not a Ц (ts) sound in English. It's basically a keyboard IME transliteration, since in Serbian, "c" would be the Roman equivalent of "ц".
I've just managed to get my ip address a 24 hour ban by tweeking the timestamp parameter once! Which is a pretty obvious DoS vulnerability if anyone wanted to disable a venue's pass verification ability.
We have the deepest respect for the German language, but HN is an English language site and posts here need to be in English. It's hard enough to get people to read the articles even when they are.
Good for Serbia for implementing some centralized system. A PCR test result in the U.S has absolutely no way of being verified, either negative or positive
In Israel, which swabs every person who lands at the airport. There is a suspiciously steady stream of people flying in from the U.S who were negative before take off and positive 10 minutes after landing
For Omicron, with an incubation period of three days, one should expect negatives to turn positive with a transatlantic flight.
Google suggests that it takes 10-12 hr to fly from NYC to Israel. That's a long time with a fast virus. (Even with a week's incubation period, you'd still expect to see it, just less.). Furthermore, many of those negative tests will have been 24-48 hr prior to takeoff, depending upon legal requirements that day.
It's okay to suspect malice, but it may not be necessary here :).
Doesn't the thread suggest someone has fiddled the system on Djokovic's behalf? If that's the case then the centralized PCR verification system is nothing but a house of cards.
Depends on where you got tested in the US. States like NY, NJ, CA and others have mandatory reporting requirements, so test results get returned to the county or state DOH and are verifiable.
The problem is at the state level, you have a lot of weird political stuff that influences what and how each state performs certain processes.
There’s also a huge flow of travel from US to Israel, and lots of weird corner cases and loopholes. (Just like Canada and Mexico)
I do not think that is entirely true - all my PCR tests have contained the name of the lab where the test was performed as well as the performing (or, in some cases), supervising physician.
That does not mean it is easy to verify test results, but it should be possible.
I find it funny how some countries suddenly make your life a lot easier if you have a positive test history.
Canada has a fairly annoying requirement to have a negative PCR test taken within 72h of takeoff (or arrival by car), which can be dicey/expensive in many parts of the world to get, but if you have a positive PCR result from 14-180 days, this requirement drops and travel gets a lot easier than those that never got a positive covid test. Regardless of vaccination status.
A rapid or PCR test from within the last calendar day is required to enter the USA. It's pretty hard to get that in many countries now b/c the winter/omicron surge. Plus, it's often expensive.
I had a friend in Mexico and took PCR on Monday for Tuesday flight. Tuesday flight got cancelled. Couldn't get ahold of 2 major airlines on phone on Tuesday so just showed up to airport on Wednesday to get any flight into Canada before 72 hour test expired. A bit of a mess.
From the whole timeline, it would look to me as someone created a later test result that they backdated for him to be able to apply for a Visa. This would explain why Djokovic was out in public at the time he was apparently positive (I doubt he would have public appearances after a day after a positive test) and it would explain the test result ID discrepancy.
It could also explain why the positive test result was generated on 26th and the negative one on 22nd.
Apparently the qr code (and related timestamps) are generated when the result document is downloaded, not when the test is performed. Der Spiegel should have confirmed their theory with other serbians who have access to test results.
Could someone double-check my understanding of this? Is the conclusion that Djokovic lied about the order (and specific dates) of his PCR tests, with the goal of entering Australia while still testing positive?
More fuel to the fire - no reason he should get a pass when other people can't. Sorry - it's only tennis and he's trying to cheat to get in. This isn't to political leaders talking about the fate of their people.
Sorry, I don't really follow those sports news, so maybe I missed something; but how did he try to cheat? He applied to Australian Open for an exemption, and was granted an exemption [0]. How is this cheating?
Especially in tennis where tournaments are designed to be 'open', that is semi-professional and allowing for amateur entrants. If he were professionally affiliated with a particular country, that might be an extenuating circumstance.
But as he is a private citizen seeking glory in AU, it's inappropriate to make an exception in this case.
I agree he shouldn't get a pass but for different reasons. If the wealthy can get exempted from onerous burdens like quarantining or waiting 3 weeks + 14 days to become vaccinated then they will never remove that burden for the rest of us.
This is basically the Canada problem: we have tough rules for 95% of people, but we exempt 5% from it, so every variant quickly ends up here uncontrollably anyway.
Windsor Ontario has something like 1000+ health care workers commuting to the Detroit area that have been exempt from most entry test/vaccination/quarantine requirements. Same for truckers and flight crews and ~30 other groups.
I think this is only changing next week with an actual vaccination requirement.
If you want to go for covid-zero, go for it, but if you half-ass it, you get all the disadvantages without any of the advantages.
"If everyone who is so concerned about Đoković these days - including the media, Australia, Balkans & Đoković himself - was so much concerned by the torture of #Assange & refugees across the world, perhaps we would have something called freedom today." by Srećko Horvat (https://twitter.com/HorvatSrecko/status/1480597836542660613)
I wonder why they only show a picture of the non-contested negative test and not the positive one with the disputed URL so we can validate the evidence ourselves.
Skipping the part where I discuss my general doubt of intellectual capabilities of the fellow commenters here.
- Datum uzorkovanja (Date of sampling): 22.12.2021 14:12:10
- Datum izdavanja rezultata (Date of issuance of results): 22.12.2021 16:15:49
=> I will ignore the time needed to get the actual swabs to the laboratory and do the necessary paperwork etc and round this to ~2 hours of time available for testing.
- Vrsta analize i proizvodjac testa (Type of analysis and test manufacturer): Real Time PCR test-SARS-CoV-2, , Sansure Biotech INC; Hunan Province
See, unless my fellow countrymen have developed a way to do PCR tests 5 times faster than the fastest tests available in the (rest) of the world, this test in itself is a joke. This is the reason PCR testing: costs, is usually indicated by symptoms already present/positive antigen test.
And before you ask: but what about the positive test, it was done under your suggested 10h too?
The positive test results actually have the exact test kit specified (https://www.cepheid.com/en/tests/Critical-Infectious-Disease...) and it's definitely not PCR. Furthermore, that company doesn't even manufacture PCR tests/systems. Their focus is on rapid pathogen detection systems.
The negative test on the other hand, doesn't specify the test kit used at all, only the manufacturer. That manufacturer though, not only produces PCR tests/systems, but most of the covid-related products are PCR-oriented, along with a few rapid/antigen solutions. (https://www.sansureglobal.com/products-and-solutions/covid-1...)
Note: on their product details pages you will see mentions of 60 minute amplification time. That might indeed be true, but amplification is, albeit long, just one step of a multi-step process (extraction, preparation, amplification, evaluation).
I honestly don't even care if he's vaccinated or not. He's one of the best Tennis players of all time, and if he wants to be unvaccinated, he should have the right. However, he doesn't have the right to provide a fraudulent test result in order to enter into a country with its own rules, and a Tennis tournament with its own rules. Covid or not, vaccine or not, this is a scummy move by one of the world's most influential athlete.
Look Nadal also broke the rules, he had Covid on 20-th and entered 31 December, and he was supposed to quarantine for 14 days, per Australian law and rules.
This was never about the law and rules, it is just politicians wanted to make a show. I think it is embarrassment for whole Australia how the whole thing played out.
[+] [-] perakojotgenije|4 years ago|reply
"You need to understand that these papers are not fakes. Both tests, database records as well as pdf certificates are 100% legit. He and his family have enough influence in state institutions to organize 100% original PCR certificate but with false positive result."[2]
"I have now checked your theory with my PCR test from October 1st. I have downloaded it now from http://e-zdravlje.gov.rs, scan QR code and timestamp from URL is 1641917096 (Tue Jan 11 2022 16:04:56 GMT). So timestamp in URL is not when test is done, but when test is downloaded"[3]
[1]https://twitter.com/CharlieWafflees/status/14809568793249955...
[2]https://twitter.com/CharlieWafflees/status/14809588647617003...
[3]https://twitter.com/blokovi/status/1480938239515148297
[+] [-] TomAnthony|4 years ago|reply
https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?cqcode=1640187792DOH...
The positive test result:
https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?cqcode=1640524880jk8...
[+] [-] grujicd|4 years ago|reply
I can share my own (positive) test, which confirms timestamp and id theory. My test was taken on the 7th January, it was a rapid test, not a PCR. But it's in the same government database:
https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?cqcode=1641591150Q!A...
Timestamp: 1641591150, which translates to GMT: Friday, 7. January 2022. 21:32:30. That seems to be right, it was taken earlier on the 7th and probably entered later to the central database.
Also, ID of my test is: 7601263. Djokovic IDs are 7371999 (16/12 test) and 7320919 (22/12 test).
It really looks like IDs are incremental, and that his test that was supposedly taken on the 16th was taken on the later date.
One consolation fact is that he wasn't positive when he took photos with kids on 17th.
EDIT: I messed up and copied Novak's QR url! fixed now!
[+] [-] panarky|4 years ago|reply
But our intrepid OSINT researcher discovered that the data in the QR code begins with a UNIX timestamp, such as cqcode=1640187792... and cqcode=1640524880...
From that one might infer that the positive test actually happened 4 days after the negative test.
The documents Djokovic provided to the court claim the positive test happened 7 days before the negative test.
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We have the deepest respect for the German language, but HN is an English language site and posts here need to be in English. It's hard enough to get people to read the articles even when they are.
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[+] [-] shmatt|4 years ago|reply
In Israel, which swabs every person who lands at the airport. There is a suspiciously steady stream of people flying in from the U.S who were negative before take off and positive 10 minutes after landing
[+] [-] ISL|4 years ago|reply
Google suggests that it takes 10-12 hr to fly from NYC to Israel. That's a long time with a fast virus. (Even with a week's incubation period, you'd still expect to see it, just less.). Furthermore, many of those negative tests will have been 24-48 hr prior to takeoff, depending upon legal requirements that day.
It's okay to suspect malice, but it may not be necessary here :).
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[+] [-] Spooky23|4 years ago|reply
The problem is at the state level, you have a lot of weird political stuff that influences what and how each state performs certain processes.
There’s also a huge flow of travel from US to Israel, and lots of weird corner cases and loopholes. (Just like Canada and Mexico)
[+] [-] renaudg|4 years ago|reply
https://ec.europa.eu/info/live-work-travel-eu/coronavirus-re...
[+] [-] jat850|4 years ago|reply
That does not mean it is easy to verify test results, but it should be possible.
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[+] [-] Scoundreller|4 years ago|reply
Canada has a fairly annoying requirement to have a negative PCR test taken within 72h of takeoff (or arrival by car), which can be dicey/expensive in many parts of the world to get, but if you have a positive PCR result from 14-180 days, this requirement drops and travel gets a lot easier than those that never got a positive covid test. Regardless of vaccination status.
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From the whole timeline, it would look to me as someone created a later test result that they backdated for him to be able to apply for a Visa. This would explain why Djokovic was out in public at the time he was apparently positive (I doubt he would have public appearances after a day after a positive test) and it would explain the test result ID discrepancy.
It could also explain why the positive test result was generated on 26th and the negative one on 22nd.
[+] [-] msuvakov|4 years ago|reply
Only outlier is Djokovic's positive test. It perfectly fits to 26. December, the same date timestamp was created.
[+] [-] seanalltogether|4 years ago|reply
Apparently the qr code (and related timestamps) are generated when the result document is downloaded, not when the test is performed. Der Spiegel should have confirmed their theory with other serbians who have access to test results.
[+] [-] frakkingcylons|4 years ago|reply
Suggest changing the link to that.
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[+] [-] azangru|4 years ago|reply
Sorry, I don't really follow those sports news, so maybe I missed something; but how did he try to cheat? He applied to Australian Open for an exemption, and was granted an exemption [0]. How is this cheating?
[0] - https://twitter.com/BenRothenberg/status/1478329044156309505
[+] [-] joshenberg|4 years ago|reply
But as he is a private citizen seeking glory in AU, it's inappropriate to make an exception in this case.
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[+] [-] Scoundreller|4 years ago|reply
Windsor Ontario has something like 1000+ health care workers commuting to the Detroit area that have been exempt from most entry test/vaccination/quarantine requirements. Same for truckers and flight crews and ~30 other groups.
I think this is only changing next week with an actual vaccination requirement.
If you want to go for covid-zero, go for it, but if you half-ass it, you get all the disadvantages without any of the advantages.
[+] [-] artursapek|4 years ago|reply
[+] [-] chrisseaton|4 years ago|reply
Real question is why are the Australians running an international tennis competition in the first place?
[+] [-] iamsaitam|4 years ago|reply
[+] [-] isaacremuant|4 years ago|reply
Authoritians are the ones who want censorship, no dissent and emergency powers that override human rights and informed consent.
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[+] [-] raegen|4 years ago|reply
- Datum uzorkovanja (Date of sampling): 22.12.2021 14:12:10
- Datum izdavanja rezultata (Date of issuance of results): 22.12.2021 16:15:49
=> I will ignore the time needed to get the actual swabs to the laboratory and do the necessary paperwork etc and round this to ~2 hours of time available for testing.
- Vrsta analize i proizvodjac testa (Type of analysis and test manufacturer): Real Time PCR test-SARS-CoV-2, , Sansure Biotech INC; Hunan Province
See, unless my fellow countrymen have developed a way to do PCR tests 5 times faster than the fastest tests available in the (rest) of the world, this test in itself is a joke. This is the reason PCR testing: costs, is usually indicated by symptoms already present/positive antigen test.
And before you ask: but what about the positive test, it was done under your suggested 10h too? The positive test results actually have the exact test kit specified (https://www.cepheid.com/en/tests/Critical-Infectious-Disease...) and it's definitely not PCR. Furthermore, that company doesn't even manufacture PCR tests/systems. Their focus is on rapid pathogen detection systems.
The negative test on the other hand, doesn't specify the test kit used at all, only the manufacturer. That manufacturer though, not only produces PCR tests/systems, but most of the covid-related products are PCR-oriented, along with a few rapid/antigen solutions. (https://www.sansureglobal.com/products-and-solutions/covid-1...)
Note: on their product details pages you will see mentions of 60 minute amplification time. That might indeed be true, but amplification is, albeit long, just one step of a multi-step process (extraction, preparation, amplification, evaluation).
You're welcome.
Take care
[+] [-] tppiotrowski|4 years ago|reply
[+] [-] aix1|4 years ago|reply
https://www.bellingcatfilm.com/
[+] [-] marbu|4 years ago|reply
https://zerforschung.org/posts/djokovic-pcr-test-en/
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[+] [-] desireco42|4 years ago|reply
This was never about the law and rules, it is just politicians wanted to make a show. I think it is embarrassment for whole Australia how the whole thing played out.