[Orou]

> The more hardcore UBI defenders talk about paying Malibu surfers to surf all day, or to write haikus

I've been following the UBI space for a long time and I've never seen anyone use this as an example - that's just a strawman. What people discuss is the work that is valuable to society but is unpaid such as raising children, caretaking for the elderly, community support, and so on.

A few hundred dollars a month isn't enough to live on, but it moves the needle for those most at-risk for going hungry or becoming homeless. And for everyone else, it gives extra breathing room and negotiating power in the workplace.

[otherme123]

Well, the "Malibu surfer" is a recurrent theme. E.g. https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-3-030-37908-... or https://www.jstor.org/stable/2265291. Van Parijs (author of the last text) is very well known in the field of UBI (some sources even list him as the founder of the idea). The haiku theme often arises in discussions, but I cannot find a source. Anyway, is the same idea: being paid for doing whatever you want or nothing at all.

What you talk about is not UBI, but other schema of basic income conditioned (thus not fulfilling the U).