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simplestats | 4 years ago

The issue with gifted children isn't about indoctrinating them to whatever beliefs. It's the destructive belief that high academic achievement is the result of some unfair "privilege" which they seek to counter by limiting opportunities for advancement.

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mhb|4 years ago

Yes, of course. Evangelists are happy to use all the tools at their disposal - both overt preaching and structural changes that conflate equality of outcome with fairness regardless of the means of achieving it.

If parents had a way of avoiding government schools, it would be far less enticing for those with an agenda to capture them.

LocalH|4 years ago

This is the root of the problem. They saw Harrison Bergeron as a roadmap, not as a cautionary tale

faeriechangling|4 years ago

Being able to attain high academic achievement IS privilege itself, a far far more real one than most privileges people jaw on about. Your standardized test scores to a large extent determine your quality of life.

On some level it’s positively shocking that gifted classes have lasted as long as they have. Looked at from a thousand mile out view a TON of the woke agenda is direct and indirect attacks on those that perform well on standardized tests.

avar|4 years ago

Why would having "gifted" classes detract from other students? In the case of OP's daughter giving her permission to simply skip math class and self-tutor in an empty classroom (by e.g. self-studying a more advanced textbook) would probably be an improvement over having to sit through a class that's below her level.

Once you do that less "privileged" students also benefit, since the teaching resources being spent on that bored student will be freed up to focus on the smaller class of students that need more assistance.

I don't see why it's a given that this is guaranteed to result in worse outcomes by any measure, even "woke" ones that might consider it a loss if OP's daughter pulls ahead further from the median grade, even if the median also goes up as a result of better spent teaching resources.

csa|4 years ago

> Your standardized test scores to a large extent determine your quality of life.

This is largely untrue unless one defines quality of life with a very narrow set of criteria and/or lives in a relatively small echo chamber.

I know tons of people with very high scores who have very low QoL, and I know many multiples of that with mediocre scores who have very high QoL.

The skill (or maybe luck) to find a way to use the abilities one does have in order to provide high utility seems to be the common thread in the high QoL folks.