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Google terminates Play Store account of Simple Keyboard developer

228 points| commoner | 4 years ago |github.com | reply

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[+] foxfluff|4 years ago|reply
Ah, same old power asymmetry. I can't blame Google for power tripping; I, too, would terminate Google if I had the power to do so.
[+] smartties|4 years ago|reply
Another malicious developer most likely used his source code and republished/spammed the Google play store with the said reskin. The original developer, is now associated with the malicious developer and has his account terminated. It's not the first time an open source project gets removed from the Google store for "prior violations of the developer program policies".
[+] autoexec|4 years ago|reply
When I read the privacy policy for the Samsung keyboard pre-installed on my phone and started following the links I was shocked that it was a literal keylogger sending every key press to 3rd parties who said they would use it read every word and phrase I typed to try to guess what my interests were, who I was communicating with, and what my level of cognitive ability/education was! I'd had no idea. Replaced my keyboard immediately.

If an app logged your keystrokes and sent that data to some poor guy in a 3rd world country though Google would shut them down. Samsung is still allowed to host apps on the play store though. In both cases the data being collected will be leveraged against you. Google just doesn't care about malware if the developer is rich enough.

[+] viktorcode|4 years ago|reply
I think it is better to use real humans for checking violations and sending emails. Yes, humans inevitably will make mistakes. However, unlike a neural network algorithm they can be reasoned with and can correct their mistakes later. I'd take much longer issue resolution with hired operators over the fast AI violation check.
[+] BarryMilo|4 years ago|reply
Google heard you, Google don't care.
[+] ComodoHacker|4 years ago|reply
>I'd take much longer issue resolution with hired operators over the fast AI violation check.

Would you also take the cost of their labor?

[+] rvz|4 years ago|reply
This is Google (as well as YouTube) showing once again they (and their robots) do not care and ultimately, they will never change. The Play Store is evidently hostile to free and open-source software.

> Please do not attempt to register a new developer account. We will not be restoring your account at this time.

Meanwhile on F-Droid, they welcomed Wire, an E2EE messenger. [0] That is at least much friendlier than the Play Store, but this won't be the last time I hear about Google giving no reason to terminate or de-monetize someone's account other than 'ToS violation' without pointing what was 'violated'.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30117423

[+] iqanq|4 years ago|reply
F-Droid is cool in theory, but it is largely unmaintaned and understaffed. If you upload a new build it may take weeks to get distributed to users.
[+] gbraad|4 years ago|reply
The sad thing is the fact Google has (almost?) no customer support.

Don't buy or pay for their services. Perhaps one day if they improved, but most likely, as with all they do, it will be terminated/canceled soon after away.

[+] tomerv|4 years ago|reply
Some Google services have support. I pay for extra storage, and I get Google One bundled with it, which includes a support channel. I haven't tried it myself yet, but I heard that it's reasonable. The real issue is that when you're banned, you get locked out of the whole service.
[+] butz|4 years ago|reply
Someone should make a precedent to prevent such nonsensical account terminations without any explanation in the future. How about flagging application first and just hiding from app store? Give developer some time to fix any issues, if there were any in the first place. Communicate better, please! Even an "AI" could send an email with explanation why app was flagged. Application is open-source and author doesn't make any money from it, is that a problem for google?
[+] Noumenon72|4 years ago|reply
Off topic, can anyone recommend an Android keyboard that allows copy and paste the way Swype did (swipe to c, swipe to v) since Swype went out of business and the stock Google keyboard bizarrely doesn't let you copy and paste?
[+] commoner|4 years ago|reply
I don't know of a keyboard that replicates Swype's exact behavior (swiping from the Swype button to C or V).

For rapid text manipulation, AnySoftKeyboard lets you swipe up from the spacebar to show a utility menu with buttons for cut, copy, paste, undo, redo, text selection mode, home, end, and the 4 arrow keys. Copying and pasting in AnySoftKeyboard is pretty quick. It's also free and open source.

https://anysoftkeyboard.github.io

[+] jhauris|4 years ago|reply
Using Google's Gboard (stock on my phone), long press allows copy or paste. Selecting the text to copy is annoying, though.
[+] trickstra|4 years ago|reply
Floris keyboard (also on f-droid) has copy & paste buttons directly above the letters. Faster than swiping.
[+] weberer|4 years ago|reply
That's unfortunate. Luckily there's still the package in F-Droid.
[+] chasil|4 years ago|reply
Google should be forced and compelled to accept everything in F-Droid into the Play store.

Google ought to have to appeal for removals from this avenue, and that process should be intentionally difficult.

F-Droid developers should be able to opt out, of course, but this constraint placed upon Google would bring many developers and apps back that have (unfairly) faced the night of the long knives.

[+] squarefoot|4 years ago|reply
If Google Play wasn't a monopoly (read as: if Google was forced to include say at least two open app stores not related to them on the Android main page), they would think twice before bullying developers. I'm sure the folks at F-Droid would be happy to host the app, but what's F-Droid exposure to non technical users?
[+] flipdot|4 years ago|reply
An interesting definition of “not a monopoly”: being forced to advertise your competitors on your own platform, for free.
[+] Symbiote|4 years ago|reply
Since he may be in the EU, I wonder if he could appeal the decision using Article 22 of the GDPR "The data subject shall have the right not to be subject to a decision based solely on automated processing, including profiling, which produces legal effects concerning him or her or similarly significantly affects him or her."

https://gdpr-info.eu/art-22-gdpr/

[+] schwanky|4 years ago|reply
I wonder if it's an automated fuck-up or real malice here, because "it's OUR data" etc.

In the latter case, I fully expect them to remove OpenBoard and the developer's account next.

[+] whoibrar|4 years ago|reply
Some time ago, I was searching for a no frills keyboard app and this was just perfect for me.

Stands for its name absolutely simple!

Sad to see it go!

[+] aagha|4 years ago|reply
Makes me thing devs need to have a home page / github for all their projects, and more than one place to download their software.
[+] MisterSandman|4 years ago|reply
Completely unrelated, but this keyboard feels a bit useless to me. I understand the appeal, but why would you not have emojis on a phone keyboard? Surely that counts as something that should be part of the basic package of something. Or am I overestimating how many people use emoji?
[+] ecedeno|4 years ago|reply
> why would you not have emojis on a phone keyboard?

Because I don’t use them

> am I overestimating how many people use emoji?

You are probably not. But why should I care how many of the people who won’t use my phone need them? Not all apps have to cater to the majority of people.

[+] bxparks|4 years ago|reply
I use this keyboard because it does not have emoji. I have never used emojis in my life. I cannot figure out half the emojis that I get on Signal because I can't zoom in to see what it is. I do wish this keyboard had better spell correction though.
[+] indymike|4 years ago|reply
It's not the emoji, it's all the apis needed (or at least used) to do autocomplete suggestions that include emoji and spell corrections and so on. Not every android keyboard is doing this... but a lot of them are just spyware for ad targeting. So you say to a friend potatoes are great :smile: and you get display ads for potatoes on all of your devices.
[+] mark_l_watson|4 years ago|reply
Bummer for the developer, but bad stuff happens randomly to people. Google is able to operate because of the scale of automation they use. I use Google services but often back up my data.

For this developer, as someone else said, Fdroid is a possibility. Same problem as with Apple’s store. I have one app on Apple’s store, but it is free and simply an example program for a book I might finish writing someday.

I would feel nervous depending on either company’s App Store for my livelihood.

[+] cybrox|4 years ago|reply
These two companies destroy thousands of businesses with each update of their policies or operating systems and we have just come to accept, in some cases even endorse, this tragic state of affairs.
[+] steampilot|4 years ago|reply
I'm not saying that Google was right to do this, but this has to be taken with a grain of salt because we don't really know what the circumstances were. Can the user prove his claims that he wasn't notified about violations in the past? No he can't (more info here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)#P...). In this case, Google would have to prove that they actually emailed the person, but I doubt they will reply as they might not even be watching this space. Should we just assume that this person is telling the truth? Are there reasons why someone would lie about this?