[handol]

You don't have to look at other industries. Other auto-manufacturers do their testing on test tracks.

[tscherno]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_mule

[0F]

And their self driving is miles behind tesla

[Traster]

I remember literally over 5 years ago hearing from someone at a big auto-manufacturer, and they just explained, they can't afford to have their cars known for killing people. They sell a shit tonne of cars, and if they start running people over they're done. It'd be an extinction level event for their brand, and probably a serious knock to the entire industry. Apparantly Tesla is happy to take that risk. it's not that Tesla is more advanced, it's that they're happy making claims that no other company in an industry obsessed with safety would make.

Imagine Volvo, but instead of Volvo you have a company that distinguished themselves by their lack of interest in safety.

[salawat]

...Because they weren't daft enough to commit to emplying blackboxes with no means of formal proofing to a safety-critical operation. Musk's approach is a massive public safety no-no. The cost of specifying and proving through trial the capabilities of what Musk is aiming for is the work of several lifetimes. Musk and Tesla just fucking YOLO it, yeeting out OTA's that substantially change the behavior of an ill-tuned system whose behavior can't even be reliably enumerated; and sinking the operational risk in drivers on the road.

Sometimes, conspicuous lack of progress is a good thing. It isn't something you necessarily appreciate until you suddenly start having to confront the law of large numbers in a very real and tangible way. Some incremental changes simply are not feasible to take until they are complete. Level 3 automation is one of those...

[ChuckNorris89]

I'd rather my car's safety systems be later to market but proven safe, than early to market and have me and the others around me as unpaid beta testers.