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thgaFa | 4 years ago

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delecti|4 years ago

That's pretty "no true Scottsman". Some of the Ottawa protesters are waving swastika flags. If it walks like a duck and waves duck flags.

Sources citing the presence of swastika flags, (linking multiple because a couple are paywalled): https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/10/world/canada/ottawa-truck... https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/thousands-protest-covid... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/ottawa-covid-trucker-prot...

gkalrq|4 years ago

The mainstream found 5 people (possibly provocateurs) with a Swastika flag and only published these pictures instead of the 10,000 other peaceful protesters.

This is pure propaganda. I suggest you listen to the press conferences of the organizers on YouTube. They are nice people.

kache_|4 years ago

The properties of a member of a set is not indicative of the entire set. Having ideological sacred cows is convenient for people who wish to discredit a section of the population, one that is underrepresented. You just identify one violator, and you can use the emotional reaction it invokes to carry forward that designation to the whole "problematic" group.

I went out yesterday night and met many of the protestors; I was in town. They're just rural workers who are largely disenfranchised. I'm ethnic, and I was welcomed warmly. Maybe don't rely too much on platitudes built on political intent as a canonical source of information.

_-david-_|4 years ago

The person you are talking to is talking about US free speech. I am not sure if you are aware of this, but Ottawa is not in the US.

BitwiseFool|4 years ago

The key takeaway is that if someone wants to discredit a protest movement they should get a few goons to dress up in black, mask their faces, and get a Nazi flag. Have them stand near the protest area, get a photographer to snap a photo and then duck out quickly.

The photo will spread, the media will pick it up, and a sizeable number of people will endlessly harp on the fact that a Nazi flag was present. It won't matter how many people were at the protest, or how long the demonstration lasted for. And no one in the media will apply the same contextualization that produced "fiery, but mostly peaceful".

zaarn|4 years ago

In this case it applies to a real nazi who's denying the Holocaust and spreading some barely-not-eugenics rhetoric... Not just "some truckers".

pessimizer|4 years ago

Pretty bold to make the assumption that there aren't real Nazis in Germany.

edit: if you were a Nazi and made it past 1953 in West Germany, the only likely further repercussion or punishment for anything you did was maybe an Israeli assassin, if you were famous.

_-david-_|4 years ago

The person you are responding to did not say there aren't real Nazis in Germany. He used the word "Rarely".

YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo|4 years ago

No we are talking about real Nazis the stuff we are talking about is unconstitutional in Germany.