It appears this was the result of terrible security at GiveSendGo. I'd agree it could be state sponsored, but I am certain there are enough people with the skills to do this on their own downtown Ottawa (even if it turned out they work for the gov't).
That said, I am thoroughly disappointed the Federal gov't and much of the media coverage. They have done nothing but make the situation worse. I think it is intentional (I assume some political end game), but their actions are fueling even more outlandish conspiracy theories.
The most insane was that all layers of government did nothing to stop the noise (truck horns), but it ended when a 21 year old who simply filed a court injunction and the protesters complied.
I've watched the Toronto Police Service play their A game through this entire debacle. They shut down the protests hard and were clearly visible throughout the city with heavy trucks and busses to block roads and maintain control of the situation.
The idea that Justin Trudeau needs martial law to deal with parked trucks is outrageous. This isn't an insurrection (reference to an MOU was removed from their website and I agree with the assertion that it was a poorly thought out idea, not a threat), there is no violence, and no obvious danger. The last person to use martial law was Trudeau's father (Pierre) for an actual terrorist attack and kidnapping (the diplomat was later murdered). Get some proper police on the job and drop mandates for ineffective measures and let's move on with our lives.
Media coverage of these protests is vastly negative. I remember only a few years ago (2020) when protests were undoubtedly violent across the United States. Video evidence of this violence as well as mass crowd driven theft was widely documented and distributed. I have yet to see video evidence of any violence from freedom convoys, and the ground based video evidence I have seen appears vastly peaceful. This does not mean there isn’t violence. Indeed, blockading roads could be construed as violence based on an argument for different definitions of the word. Yet, from my personal observations, it seems that the protests are essentially peaceful, citizens living in these cities are in support in large numbers, and this is running counter to the narrative being espoused in mainstream media sources, with the possible exception of Fox News. More or less it seems as though media sources are mischaracterizing these protests overall. Furthermore, it can be effectively argued that forcing workers to get vaccinated or lose their jobs is inherently discriminatory and perhaps even anti-freedom. But these are only my personal observations and conclusions, be what they are, a single individuals insight into the times occurring around him, debate as you will.
> The most insane was that all layers of government did nothing to stop the noise (truck horns), but it ended when a 21 year old who simply filed a court injunction and the protesters complied.
This is false and I would expect better of HN posters.
A group of the protestors locked the doors to a downtown apartment building with handcuffs and then attempted to set that building on fire.
Although nobody has been injured yet, there have been plenty of weapons seizures as well as incidents of protestors ramming police vehicles and/or attempting to arrest police officers.
Residents of Ottawa are scared to leave their homes for simple tasks like buying groceries because the protestors have assaulted vulnerable individuals for wearing masks.
The entire thing is a tinderbox just waiting for one unhinged protestor to make a wrong move. And even if we escape this incident peacefully, there are the toxic diesel fumes from idling trucks which have been polluting downtown Ottawa's air for the last two weeks and are likely to become trapped in the urban environment.
A number of illegal weapons, high capacity magazines, and a large quantity of ammunition were seized in a blockade in Alberta. I would not be surprised if there are people with weapons in Ottawa as well, waiting for an opportunity to strike.
I didn't see (nonfringe) calls for martial law. I saw calls for the military to tow the trucks because the actual truck towing companies the police normally subcontracted to were unwillingness to piss off their customer base/risk of violence from truckers/agreement with the protests. And, of the various government agencies, only the military had access to the heavy vehicle movers that were needed.
> I think it is intentional (I assume some political end game)
Most media doesn't have a political endgame. They have a bias for sensationalism and clickbait.
Definition, martial law: Martial law is the temporary imposition of direct military control of normal civil functions or suspension of civil law by a government, especially in response to a temporary emergency where civil forces are overwhelmed, or in an occupied territory. [1]
The key phrases are "imposition of direct military control of normal civil functions" and "suspension of civil law by a government".
The Canadian Emergencies Act, which was invoked by the Liberal government today, specifically states the following: "For greater certainty, nothing in this Act derogates from the authority of the Government of Canada to deal with emergencies on any property, territory or area in respect of which the Parliament of Canada has jurisdiction" [2].
I'd do a deeper reading but I'm a bit lazy, but my understanding is that the EA does not allow, in any way, a shift in governance that could be described as "martial law" - where the military is in control of civil functions and can create or remove laws as military leadership desires. Even with the EA invoked, the federal government still controls the Canadian military (but can be assisted in enforcing civil law _by_ the military).
I'm no fan of Trudeau either, but we should seek to be precise when discussing hot situations like this. People can get very inflamed off of internet posts and the idea that we're under "martial law" is riling people up.
> That said, I am thoroughly disappointed the Federal gov't and much of the media coverage. They have done nothing but make the situation worse. I think it is intentional (I assume some political end game), but their actions are fueling even more outlandish conspiracy theories.
Didn't the father do the exact same thing back in the 70's?
Of course there's political gains, as they say, never get a crisis go to waste.
Also the Ambassador Bridge blockade was ordered by the court to clear on Friday midnight. Police cleared it Sunday with some arrests, some resistance but not much else.
Pretty standard when it comes to Canadian protests.
While there is no outright violence, there is torture to local residents, there was attempted arson, there is continued intimidation and harassment of those wearing masks, there is intimidation of visible minorities, there are attacks on businesses....
Is that enough to convince you that the situation is out of hand and than stricter action is needed?
The protestors haven't complied with not honking.
Please, please be careful with how you frame this. There was severe inaction and dangerous incompetence displayed by Ottawa police but please don't spin this as the federal government overstepping.
Edit - within seconds of posting, this is downvoted. Truly a shameful display by the folks here.
> It appears this was the result of terrible security at GiveSendGo.
Don't victim blame, and call a spade a spade. It was the result of targeted black hat hacking and identity theft, probably made easier by poor security at GiveSendGo.
Mounties said in a release Monday that they became aware of a small organized group within the larger protest at Coutts.
They say they had information that the group had access to a cache of firearms and ammunition. Officers seized long guns, handguns, multiple sets of body armour, a machete, a large quantity of ammunition and high-capacity firearm magazines.
Trudeau's father had the Mounties plant bombs at civilians (Canadian citizens on Canadian soil) back in the 70's and tried to blame it on some political group to justify armed intervention [0].
I went through the leaks last night and they're wrong about the IP addresses. All of the IP addresses listed are internal to the service itself- they recorded the IP addresses of their own nodes (or possibly cloudflare edge nodes), and they're all from one of a few ranges or localhost.
The email addresses, names, country and zip codes all seem legit though.
Jesus Christ, you can't just leave your S3 bucket open, guys. There are lots of warnings from Amazon before you end up doing that, and it's so easy to not do (pre-signed URLs if you really need a URL).
I guess it's rather interesting to see the reactions from the media and HN comments. Sort of reflects the relative politics:
- Patreon leak. Media didn't go download everyone's data and threaten to get info. HN blamed Patreon.
- GiveSendGo (a terrible name imho). Media downloads the data and threatens to get info. HN blames the hacker.
I think I'm going to choose consistency here. I hate these data breach guys, but it's sort of like I hate mosquitos. If I could cleanse the Earth of them I would, but I can't. So I accept they are just a natural constraint. But if your hotel has mosquitos I'm going to blame your hotel.
This 'hack' is dealing with amateurish security. If you're in a controversial place you've got to do better. GiveSendGo has a lot of work to do (unless this was something weird this specific campaign did). And their security position on this was terrible: https://techcrunch.com/2022/02/08/ottawa-trucker-freedom-con...
> TechCrunch contacted GiveSendGo co-founder Jacob Wells with details of the exposed bucket on Tuesday. The bucket was secured a short time later, but Wells did not respond to our questions, including if GiveSendGo planned on informing about the security lapse those whose information was exposed.
The lack of effective policing is what's most disappointing to me. The Ottawa police have completely failed to enforce any boundaries. This further erodes public trust in the police and public safety in general. In that sense the protestors are winning.
I'm confused, is only the truckers convoy data available or was all of GiveSendGo's database compromised? GiveSendGo hosts fundraising campaigns for the full constellation of alt-right, Proud Boy, J6, etc groups that don't get hosted by GoFundMe.
As a fully vaccinated person who thinks that people who disagree with me should have rights, and who values freedom more than wealth, I'm proud that my name is on that list.
Reading this thread demonstrate to me why we (as a society, no matter where you're living) can't live together as we've been doing anymore. The ideas are colliding in too many areas and all of them look like a rat trap.
Something hostile in human behavior we are unable to remove is deeply rotten and who knows how we can fix it. This are sad (but non desperate) times to live.
Comments I've read say the file has over 100k names, postal codes, and email addresses of people who have donated. Now, they've likely been radicalized by being doxed, and they can find each other both online, and by postal code.
By releasing this data, these hackers have provided probably the most valuable organizing, fundraising, and sales pipeline list for conservative causes and businesses ever created in the country, and it is that quality of forethought that I think makes this a Canadian state backed operation. The wisdom behind this was truly exemplary.
PAT KING: Pat King is a far-right protester who has said in videos posted to social media that there may be future plans to target politicians' homes and that "the only way that this is going to be solved is with bullets." He has called for the arrest of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Ottawa Police Chief Peter Sloly.
King has gained attention online for a video posted to Twitter in which he decries the "depopulation" of white people, as well as another video posted in 2019 in which he makes racist remarks about Jewish, Muslim, and Chinese people.
i have a 4 year old daughter in ontario who has never seen her friends faces or her teacher's face. she eats outside even when it's -20. as of today, no end in sight for these rules. why? it's shameful. im surprised the civil unrest in canada isnt worse.
My children in Ontario public schools eat inside -- always have. Strangely, when they eat, they even take off their masks and see the faces of their classmates. Even more strange, they see their classmates faces even with masks on, just a smaller portion of their faces.
Today is quite cold, so they're not having outdoor recess at all. They're staying inside. Eating inside. Maybe your school district has different policies?
May I highlight this is your _very_ first comment on this website. Why did you suddenly decide to make an account and post your first comment here? Do you work in technology?
The powers-to-be, civil and military, had great "business" going because of the quarantine by pillaging most of the funds the government provided for the city supplies (as the normal trade and supply was broken by the quarantine) while population was starving. The military doctors responsible for the quarantine received pay several folds higher than their usual pay. To maintain the supposed epidemic, ie. to generate sufficient number of deaths which were all chalked to plague even though in reality there weren't any plague cases, they for example forced people to sit in the sea in winter supposedly for public hygiene purposes, and naturally the malnourished population was getting ill and died in numbers. Anybody who showed any signs of any illness would be put into total quarantine into a hospital building with especially bad conditions which all but guaranteed the death.
You mean where your support for a controversial political movement would be irrevocably public? If this list had leaked Bitcoin addresses, the next thing you'd see would be a report of everything else those addresses had been used for.
Bitcoin or other crypto would just be the payment mechanism, alongside any other option like CC, paypal, bank transfer, etc. The donation platform could still collect any other data as part of the user profile.
Sure, they could choose not to collect or retain that data for crypto, but they could do the same with other payment mechanisms as well. Crypto wouldn't confer much more in the way of anonymity benefits above and beyond what a donation platform could provide right now if they wanted to.
I'm not at-all familiar with Canadian law, but receiving money from foreign donors for political activity is often illegal. These funding platforms would probably need you to disclose who you are even if you gave bitcoin.
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[+] [-] dade_|4 years ago|reply
That said, I am thoroughly disappointed the Federal gov't and much of the media coverage. They have done nothing but make the situation worse. I think it is intentional (I assume some political end game), but their actions are fueling even more outlandish conspiracy theories.
The most insane was that all layers of government did nothing to stop the noise (truck horns), but it ended when a 21 year old who simply filed a court injunction and the protesters complied.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/injunction-ottawa-granted-1...
I've watched the Toronto Police Service play their A game through this entire debacle. They shut down the protests hard and were clearly visible throughout the city with heavy trucks and busses to block roads and maintain control of the situation.
https://www.cp24.com/video?clipId=2376560
The idea that Justin Trudeau needs martial law to deal with parked trucks is outrageous. This isn't an insurrection (reference to an MOU was removed from their website and I agree with the assertion that it was a poorly thought out idea, not a threat), there is no violence, and no obvious danger. The last person to use martial law was Trudeau's father (Pierre) for an actual terrorist attack and kidnapping (the diplomat was later murdered). Get some proper police on the job and drop mandates for ineffective measures and let's move on with our lives.
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[+] [-] BeefWellington|4 years ago|reply
> https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/injunction-ottawa-granted-1...
This did not work though:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/protesters-violate-cou...
The court order is just a threat and the Ottawa Police Service appear to not care to enforce the order.
[+] [-] ar_turnbull|4 years ago|reply
This is false and I would expect better of HN posters.
A group of the protestors locked the doors to a downtown apartment building with handcuffs and then attempted to set that building on fire.
Although nobody has been injured yet, there have been plenty of weapons seizures as well as incidents of protestors ramming police vehicles and/or attempting to arrest police officers.
Residents of Ottawa are scared to leave their homes for simple tasks like buying groceries because the protestors have assaulted vulnerable individuals for wearing masks.
The entire thing is a tinderbox just waiting for one unhinged protestor to make a wrong move. And even if we escape this incident peacefully, there are the toxic diesel fumes from idling trucks which have been polluting downtown Ottawa's air for the last two weeks and are likely to become trapped in the urban environment.
[+] [-] smnrchrds|4 years ago|reply
A number of illegal weapons, high capacity magazines, and a large quantity of ammunition were seized in a blockade in Alberta. I would not be surprised if there are people with weapons in Ottawa as well, waiting for an opportunity to strike.
https://globalnews.ca/news/8618494/alberta-coutts-border-pro...
[+] [-] HWR_14|4 years ago|reply
> I think it is intentional (I assume some political end game)
Most media doesn't have a political endgame. They have a bias for sensationalism and clickbait.
[+] [-] vzidex|4 years ago|reply
The key phrases are "imposition of direct military control of normal civil functions" and "suspension of civil law by a government".
The Canadian Emergencies Act, which was invoked by the Liberal government today, specifically states the following: "For greater certainty, nothing in this Act derogates from the authority of the Government of Canada to deal with emergencies on any property, territory or area in respect of which the Parliament of Canada has jurisdiction" [2].
I'd do a deeper reading but I'm a bit lazy, but my understanding is that the EA does not allow, in any way, a shift in governance that could be described as "martial law" - where the military is in control of civil functions and can create or remove laws as military leadership desires. Even with the EA invoked, the federal government still controls the Canadian military (but can be assisted in enforcing civil law _by_ the military).
I'm no fan of Trudeau either, but we should seek to be precise when discussing hot situations like this. People can get very inflamed off of internet posts and the idea that we're under "martial law" is riling people up.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law
[2] https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/e-4.5/page-1.html
[+] [-] 908B64B197|4 years ago|reply
Didn't the father do the exact same thing back in the 70's?
Of course there's political gains, as they say, never get a crisis go to waste.
[+] [-] 99_00|4 years ago|reply
Pretty standard when it comes to Canadian protests.
[+] [-] Cd00d|4 years ago|reply
That little throw away at the end, where we just give in to people making demands outside of democratic methods says it all, I think.
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While there is no outright violence, there is torture to local residents, there was attempted arson, there is continued intimidation and harassment of those wearing masks, there is intimidation of visible minorities, there are attacks on businesses....
Is that enough to convince you that the situation is out of hand and than stricter action is needed?
The protestors haven't complied with not honking.
Please, please be careful with how you frame this. There was severe inaction and dangerous incompetence displayed by Ottawa police but please don't spin this as the federal government overstepping.
Edit - within seconds of posting, this is downvoted. Truly a shameful display by the folks here.
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[+] [-] fsckboy|4 years ago|reply
Don't victim blame, and call a spade a spade. It was the result of targeted black hat hacking and identity theft, probably made easier by poor security at GiveSendGo.
[+] [-] TrispusAttucks|4 years ago|reply
People standing up for their rights!
Cue the media attack dog and smear campaign. We need some corporate approved misinformation to get ahead of this.
It's such an obvious formula at this point. Does anyone still not see through it?
[+] [-] talentedcoin|4 years ago|reply
Mounties said in a release Monday that they became aware of a small organized group within the larger protest at Coutts.
They say they had information that the group had access to a cache of firearms and ammunition. Officers seized long guns, handguns, multiple sets of body armour, a machete, a large quantity of ammunition and high-capacity firearm magazines.
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Trudeau's father had the Mounties plant bombs at civilians (Canadian citizens on Canadian soil) back in the 70's and tried to blame it on some political group to justify armed intervention [0].
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_controversies_involvin...
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The email addresses, names, country and zip codes all seem legit though.
[+] [-] MomoXenosaga|4 years ago|reply
Ban foreign money entering your political system. Nothing good will ever come from it.
[+] [-] renewiltord|4 years ago|reply
I guess it's rather interesting to see the reactions from the media and HN comments. Sort of reflects the relative politics:
- Patreon leak. Media didn't go download everyone's data and threaten to get info. HN blamed Patreon.
- GiveSendGo (a terrible name imho). Media downloads the data and threatens to get info. HN blames the hacker.
I think I'm going to choose consistency here. I hate these data breach guys, but it's sort of like I hate mosquitos. If I could cleanse the Earth of them I would, but I can't. So I accept they are just a natural constraint. But if your hotel has mosquitos I'm going to blame your hotel.
This 'hack' is dealing with amateurish security. If you're in a controversial place you've got to do better. GiveSendGo has a lot of work to do (unless this was something weird this specific campaign did). And their security position on this was terrible: https://techcrunch.com/2022/02/08/ottawa-trucker-freedom-con...
> TechCrunch contacted GiveSendGo co-founder Jacob Wells with details of the exposed bucket on Tuesday. The bucket was secured a short time later, but Wells did not respond to our questions, including if GiveSendGo planned on informing about the security lapse those whose information was exposed.
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By releasing this data, these hackers have provided probably the most valuable organizing, fundraising, and sales pipeline list for conservative causes and businesses ever created in the country, and it is that quality of forethought that I think makes this a Canadian state backed operation. The wisdom behind this was truly exemplary.
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https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/who-is-who-a-guide-to-the-majo...
PAT KING: Pat King is a far-right protester who has said in videos posted to social media that there may be future plans to target politicians' homes and that "the only way that this is going to be solved is with bullets." He has called for the arrest of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Ottawa Police Chief Peter Sloly.
King has gained attention online for a video posted to Twitter in which he decries the "depopulation" of white people, as well as another video posted in 2019 in which he makes racist remarks about Jewish, Muslim, and Chinese people.
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Today is quite cold, so they're not having outdoor recess at all. They're staying inside. Eating inside. Maybe your school district has different policies?
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If she was remote learning she knows her teacher's face. If she isn't remote now she knows her teacher's face
[+] [-] loginatnine|4 years ago|reply
My 4 years old at the kindergarden doesn't wear a mask and neither does her classmates. She eats indoor every day.
My 7 years old in first grade wears a mask indoor but not outdoor. She eats inside with all of her classmates, unmasked.
[+] [-] trhway|4 years ago|reply
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sevastopol_plague_uprising
The powers-to-be, civil and military, had great "business" going because of the quarantine by pillaging most of the funds the government provided for the city supplies (as the normal trade and supply was broken by the quarantine) while population was starving. The military doctors responsible for the quarantine received pay several folds higher than their usual pay. To maintain the supposed epidemic, ie. to generate sufficient number of deaths which were all chalked to plague even though in reality there weren't any plague cases, they for example forced people to sit in the sea in winter supposedly for public hygiene purposes, and naturally the malnourished population was getting ill and died in numbers. Anybody who showed any signs of any illness would be put into total quarantine into a hospital building with especially bad conditions which all but guaranteed the death.
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Sure, they could choose not to collect or retain that data for crypto, but they could do the same with other payment mechanisms as well. Crypto wouldn't confer much more in the way of anonymity benefits above and beyond what a donation platform could provide right now if they wanted to.
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