[tagoregrtst]

Unvaccinated Canadians older than five who have to quarantine for fourteen days.

A 14 day quarantine for an endemic virus just as present in Canada as anywhere else is a de facto prohibition.

[corry]

Quarantine != "barred". Perhaps inconvenient to the point of rethinking the trip, yes, but that's different than a citizen being denied the right of return by their government.

And even that inconvenience can be removed with a free, safe shot that takes 30 seconds to get for those that aren't prevented by some other health condition.

[Spinnaker_]

Former Newfoundland Premier Brian Peckford, one of the men who helped draft our Charter of Rights and Freedoms, is suing the government, claiming that these travel restrictions on Canadian citizens are unconstitutional.

It's a pretty remarkable situation to have someone who wrote our constitution pointing out that the government is in error.

[tagoregrtst]

I literally said “de facto”. A 14 day quarantine when one has 10 days vacation a year is de facto a bar.

Nor did I argue, or am interested in arguing, the merits of banning the unvaccinated. I just stated that they are effectively banned from entry.

[throwaway894345]

> Quarantine != "barred". Perhaps inconvenient to the point of rethinking the trip, yes,

The original quote was "de facto barred". If something is "inconvenient to the point that it makes the trip infeasible" it's pretty much as good as barring entry.

> And even that inconvenience can be removed with a free, safe shot that takes 30 seconds to get for those that aren't prevented by some other health condition.

I'm vaxxed and boosted, but at this point it doesn't seem like vaccines inhibit transmission and thus it's purely a matter of bodily autonomy. "yield your right to bodily autonomy and you may enter" is some authoritarian nonsense.

[mywittyname]

Quarantine procedures were in place during Zika and Ebola outbreaks as well. And those procedures were substantially more harsh. Major metro hospitals had quarantine facilities brought in for Ebola. Patients were shoved into a mobile field hospital for 14 days. Not a single protest happened for that.

The takeaway here is that none of this is new. People are mostly just pissed off that the quarantine procedures now apply to them. It was a-okay when other people were shoved into isolation tanks because, "that's what happens when you go to Africa."

[tagoregrtst]

Right, but the virus was contained. A quarantine when you have as much COVID as anyone is petty.

[kstenerud]

Yes, so they don't contribute to the clogging of hospitals (90% of COVID related hospitalizations are unvaccinated people).

Stop being so selfish and get vaccinated.

[tagoregrtst]

Im not arguing for or against vaccination. Im just pointing out that some Canadians are de facto barred from entry.

The law also doesn't recognize natural immunity which is not that ineffective, is it?

[zapdrive]

Not all unvaccinated people end up in a hospital though. So aren't we discriminating against them?

It's equivalent to saying that lets bar all male Canadian citizens from entering Canada, since over 90% of rapes are committed by men!

[FireBeyond]

Upstream in this thread we have "it's not torture because no-one is making those residents who live in the area stay" - because of course, they all can afford the time and effort to go stay in a hotel out of the area for a few weeks...

Here we have "oh, well, it might as well be a ban, if you're going to inconvenience someone for a few weeks".

[go_blue_13]

they can go get the safe, effective vaccine for free so they don't have to quarantine

[beaconstudios]

Well, maybe they should get vaccinated then.

[tagoregrtst]

Point stands they’re barred entry.

Look, I get it. They’re icky and Canada has a long history of denying or trying to deny entry to “icky” ppl. Mediterraneans, Asians, Eminem (though I forgot about that one eh?).

Canada has just a long list of things its apologized for. Like barring entry to Mediterraneans, Asians and Eminem.

[seattle_spring]

Gosh, that's a really tough position to be in. If only there was something they could do to be exempt from the 14 day quarantine. Anything at all.

[fuzzer37]

Just get vaccinated. It takes, like, 5 minutes.

[dukeofdoom]

Just comply and the regime will not threaten you is not really how a free person thinks.

[tagoregrtst]

No. It is immoral for a healthy, COVID recovered man to get a vaccine best used in the third world.

To travel, and get around my moral qualms, I signed up for a vaccine trial. I was refused or got the placebo.

[yohannparis]

Nope it is not, this is an abuse of the term "prohibition".