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What have these two people actually done, except lying all the time? And abusing their workers?

Also, these "magical" landings have been made 60 YEARS AGO! Go Musk! Hyperloop! FSD! Robotaxis! Semi! VTOL with pressurized air! Tesla robot! Pedo guy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39cjZTCay24

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mft_|4 years ago

Not sure if you’re interested in feedback, but your angry and extreme feelings about Musk and everything connected with him make your opinions too easy to disregard: you’ve made yourself the HN equivalent of the angry crazy guy shouting on a street corner.

I know it’s the trend in the world, the established media, social media, etc. but it’s possible have have a more nuanced view on things than ALL VERY BAD or AMAZING AWESOME.

For example, one can reasonably criticise Musk for his stupid outbursts on Twitter and elsewhere (and of course, also criticise the media for breathlessly reporting every bit of nonsense he spouts for clicks.) He is notoriously bad at predicting the timing of when things will happen. Robotaxis are probably 5+ years away, if ever. Tesla delivers their new models much later than promised, and has poor customer service. Hyperloop was a concept that would probably have been ignored were it not for the outsize attention that Musk gets. Etc.

But… these views can reasonably coexist with also acknowledging that two of his companies have revolutionised their parts of our world within a very short space of time. SpaceX has revolutionised the commercial rocket space, and Tesla has driven the whole automotive industry towards building EVs by leading from the front. And it’s almost guaranteed that neither of those would have happened without them being led by Musk (and Shotwell).

panick21_|4 years ago

Your comments about rocket landings just speak of your own ignorance. Even the guy who made video you linked wouldn't agree with your terrible opinion.

> Hyperloop

What lie? Have you actually done any research.

Musk said he worked on something, he is not gone develop it as he has no time, but if somebody else wants to, they can. And to help that he opened up this BluePaper:

https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/blog_images/hyperl...

That's literally it. No produce was ever promised. The only thing that was promised was to deliver a BluePaper and they did.

> Semi

A produce they are delivering in slow numbers and there is no question that they will deliver more. Its a question of battery availability and business strategy.

> VTOL with pressurized air!

Again not true. You keep mixing up things talked about and things promised.

For the new Roadster they said they would work on a SpaceX package that would be able to for a small time hover a vehicle. They have neither sold that package only talked about that they are working on it.

> Pedo guy!

So guy was an asshole to him, and then he was an asshole back. They are both not the nicest people. So what.

> FSD! Robotaxis!

Like many others he was wrong in their prediction. Like many others were on the same topic. Ok, fair. But the rest of your comment is nonsense.

> And abusing their workers?

More nonsense. Tesla workers with stock options have done far better then any autoworkers. Many SpaceX engineers retired as millionaires. Overall working at SpaceX its highly likely that you would have made more then comparable engineers specially of comparable seniority.

hparadiz|4 years ago

You have a fundamental scientific misunderstanding of the difference in difficulty of landing a rocket that goes straight up and down and landing a rocket that has just put something into an orbital trajectory.

If it's so easy why doesn't everyone do it?