The article tries to make the story all about Facebook, when it basically just boils down to the fact that a (alleged, there is still due process required) pervert worked there. They didn't know about him, they weren't harboring him or anything, it's just a low level employee doing something inappropriate.
I have seen the video (or parts of it) and it's hard to imagine how he could not be considered guilty. On the other hand, determining the innocence or guilt of a person based on videos from vigilante groups who have a huge incentive to produce dramatic videos makes me incredibly, incredibly uncomfortable.
I keep seeing this criticism and I don't get it. Presumably no one knew about his proclivities - not his parents, not his best friend, not his wife (if he had one), no one. It's obviously a very secretive part of his life and it's unreasonable to expect an employer to somehow know this about him.
Meta employes 60,000 people according to a quick google search. I promise you there are plenty of Meta employees who have hobbies and interests the employer doesn't know about.
anyone have more info on the group that makes these videos ?
seems like they make decoy accounts and pretend to be underage targets but would like to learn more about their process: are they legit or would it be equivalent to police entrapment ?
Fun fact: 99% of the people who think something is entrapment have no idea what "entrapment" means.
If the cops leave a car running with the keys in it, and you steal it, that's not entrapment.
If someone says in a forum "hey I'm 13 and I like dinosaurs" and you start messaging them about touching peepees and such: not entrapment.
The cases involving entrapment and terrorism charges, for example, have been largely bullshit. They'll find someone not-all-there mentally, source a "weapon" for them, groom and coach them, egg them on, hand them plans, etc....that's entrapment.
Nothing else is really equivalent to "police entrapment" though. What makes that bad is that it's the police doing it, otherwise it's just asking a favor.
If you can lie your way to getting someone to confess to a crime that's pretty much fine in the legal system, I think. Police do it all the time anyway and not even as some shady thing they have to hide it's just part of the work.
It sounds like they pose as minors and look for sketchy men to try to set up meets with them. Here's a news article with this quote from a female predator catcher,
> “Basically, I brought you out here ‘cause we know who you are, I’m definitely not 14, you’ve definitely been talking to a decoy,” the woman said while walking with Boyer into the nearby parking lot.
More on their process (and even more detail in the article):
> Here's how it works: Members of these groups create fake, "decoy" dating or social media profiles and, once connected with someone, share their decoy age. The conversation either ends or continues and eventually becomes sexual, Spain and Schmutte said, at which point they'll agree to meet, only to reveal their true identities and confront the person while streaming on Facebook Live.
> Austin Spain looks at his Facebook Messenger inbox on his phone Wednesday, Feb. 10, 2021. He has two decoy pages that he uses in his search for sexual predators online.
> For Spain, it's as easy as creating decoy Facebook pages using photos of adult female friends who he said have given him permission to use their images. One decoy page reviewed by IndyStar shows a young woman who says she's a student at a Bedford high school who likes reading. There's nothing outwardly provocative about the page.
> Spain doesn't send friend requests, he said, nor does he initiate conversations. He lets the requests come to him. When he spoke to IndyStar on Jan. 22, Spain said one of his decoy pages had around 900 pending friend requests. Typically, he sorts through requests and messages, deleting those that are obviously fake or out-of-state. Then, it's just a matter of responding to that first message.
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To me the people running these groups seem very narcissistic. I have no doubt they think they're doing a good thing, but I am never in favour of vigilante justice.
You present no evidence that this is true. You just fan the flames of outrage by assuming that a deleted post means a conspiracy. It seems far more likely that it was caught by a spam filter, or by a Reddit mod, or by a Reddit admin who mistook it for actual CP.
The users in that thread are somehow outraged that a breaking news event is not receiving massive worldwide coverage despite a) it not being very important and b) not having a particularly good source.
Even if this is true, given Reddit's history with the Boston Bombing debacle, I think it's entirely reasonable for the admins to take a hard line against accusations of serious criminal conduct from unknown sources. In any case the video is being widely discussed on Reddit now.
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/top/ it's literally the #1 video of the day in what I assume is the biggest videos sub; they are probably just removing reposts.
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[+] [-] rosndo|4 years ago|reply
He literally admits to it on the video.
Admitted, not alleged. Leave due process to the courts.
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[+] [-] toiletfuneral|4 years ago|reply
https://www.polygon.com/2016/12/27/14088862/cops-arrest-ocul...
[+] [-] commandlinefan|4 years ago|reply
Accused of something inappropriate, but summarily fired anyway.
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[+] [-] sillysaurusx|4 years ago|reply
Embrace the drama.
EDIT: 40m32s is so damning. https://youtu.be/XDbMDy2e44w#t=40m32s
I’m amazed how stupid he is for not shutting up and walking out the door.
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[+] [-] mdoms|4 years ago|reply
Meta employes 60,000 people according to a quick google search. I promise you there are plenty of Meta employees who have hobbies and interests the employer doesn't know about.
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Headline - "a head of"
HN Title - "head of"
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If the cops leave a car running with the keys in it, and you steal it, that's not entrapment.
If someone says in a forum "hey I'm 13 and I like dinosaurs" and you start messaging them about touching peepees and such: not entrapment.
The cases involving entrapment and terrorism charges, for example, have been largely bullshit. They'll find someone not-all-there mentally, source a "weapon" for them, groom and coach them, egg them on, hand them plans, etc....that's entrapment.
[+] [-] giraffe_lady|4 years ago|reply
Nothing else is really equivalent to "police entrapment" though. What makes that bad is that it's the police doing it, otherwise it's just asking a favor.
If you can lie your way to getting someone to confess to a crime that's pretty much fine in the legal system, I think. Police do it all the time anyway and not even as some shady thing they have to hide it's just part of the work.
[+] [-] mdoms|4 years ago|reply
https://www.facebook.com/PredatorCatchersIndianapolis/
It sounds like they pose as minors and look for sketchy men to try to set up meets with them. Here's a news article with this quote from a female predator catcher,
> “Basically, I brought you out here ‘cause we know who you are, I’m definitely not 14, you’ve definitely been talking to a decoy,” the woman said while walking with Boyer into the nearby parking lot.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/02/25/indian...
More on their process (and even more detail in the article):
> Here's how it works: Members of these groups create fake, "decoy" dating or social media profiles and, once connected with someone, share their decoy age. The conversation either ends or continues and eventually becomes sexual, Spain and Schmutte said, at which point they'll agree to meet, only to reveal their true identities and confront the person while streaming on Facebook Live.
> Austin Spain looks at his Facebook Messenger inbox on his phone Wednesday, Feb. 10, 2021. He has two decoy pages that he uses in his search for sexual predators online. > For Spain, it's as easy as creating decoy Facebook pages using photos of adult female friends who he said have given him permission to use their images. One decoy page reviewed by IndyStar shows a young woman who says she's a student at a Bedford high school who likes reading. There's nothing outwardly provocative about the page.
> Spain doesn't send friend requests, he said, nor does he initiate conversations. He lets the requests come to him. When he spoke to IndyStar on Jan. 22, Spain said one of his decoy pages had around 900 pending friend requests. Typically, he sorts through requests and messages, deleting those that are obviously fake or out-of-state. Then, it's just a matter of responding to that first message.
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To me the people running these groups seem very narcissistic. I have no doubt they think they're doing a good thing, but I am never in favour of vigilante justice.
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[+] [-] sillysaurusx|4 years ago|reply
I want to say “I doubt that’s true,” but that’s the thing about propaganda. It’s often hard to tell.
EDIT: it seems true: https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/suq88j/...
Hmm. That’s not a great look. On the other hand, the submitter’s account still seems to be active. Maybe they reversed.
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The users in that thread are somehow outraged that a breaking news event is not receiving massive worldwide coverage despite a) it not being very important and b) not having a particularly good source.
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