News related to this a few days ago got me thinking that people who want the US Supreme Court to ratify "sensible" mandates and orders coming out of the Executive Branch even if they're legally sketchy should perhaps be careful what they wish for.
Korematsu v. United States which basically upheld FDR's executive order is probably one of the least defensible SCOTUS decisions of all time and definitely one of the worst if you include a few pre-Civil War cases.
ADDED: And, yes, SCOTUS is political too but it should act as at least some degree of check. I'm also not specifically commenting on any particular decision but I've certainly read decisions (as a non-lawyer) that were counter to my personal preference but which seemed the right thing legally.
> News related to this a few days ago got me thinking that people who want the US Supreme Court to ratify "sensible" mandates and orders coming out of the Executive Branch even if they're legally sketchy should perhaps be careful what they wish for.
Please explain how science-supported public health measures to control the spread of a deadly infectious disease are similar to imprisonment of a group based on their nationality because they were assumed to be helping the enemy during a way.
You just compared antibiotics and the fear of eclipses.
If institutions can't tell these apart they have already failed...all of them.
It should - but it's not so much about a piece of land, it's about what it represents.
As a non-American, the US does still seem to be a 'very patriotic country' - national anthems played for any reason, standing for flags, pledging allegiance to abstract concepts, USA*n chants to fellow americans etc etc.
Not in itself wrong - but always struck me as a bit try-hard on the homogeneity. Darker edge is that it means you (not you specifically, but <i>you</i>) still label people as being "unamerican".
Even in political discourse - there seems to be an abstract "America" (that everybody loves) and then criticism from both sides is couched in terms of how the other side is trying to destroy this great abstract.
I was just thinking of Eileen Gu and the whole balagan when she chose to compete for China. She's a skier. I can't think of any other country that would get so upset that a national would choose to perform sports for another country.
Why should something like this never happen again? War is war. Japan in current day is an ally, so let's discuss the CCP.
Couldn't you say compared to the current modern day Communist Party of China and being as of today 21 Confusion institutes currently located in the United States? Do you think the current Communist Party of China does not have spies and people designed to infiltrate the United States government and the current Republic in various levels? Haven't they even been stealing secrets and intellectual property from governments?
Also, alerts last month from British Intelligence (MI5) regarding infiltration in their parliament?
And lastly, the CIA finally started a division to investigate China as of late last year.
So if you ask me, if there was a large security threat in the United States or Canada for example or any allied nation regarding spies from lets say the CCP, I believe they should absolutely be investigated and potentially put into secure camps regarding national security of a country.
It's not pretty(war isn't pretty), but how else would a military secure foreign threats in their country?
In this interview with David Tennant, George Takei talks about the experiences of living in the internment camps as a child and the lasting impact it had, particularly on his father.
George Takei's recounting of saying the pledge of allegiance ( which is imho a ridiculous thing in itself) and being taught about how free the US is, while literally in a concentration camp, is touching.
There were reparations paid in 1988 - not saying that it was enough, or should count as reimbursement, but there was some financial acknowledgement.
In 1988, President Ronald Reagan signed into law the Civil Liberties Act of 1988 which officially apologized for the internment on behalf of the U.S. government and authorized a payment of $20,000 (equivalent to $44,000 in 2020) to each former internee who was still alive when the act was passed. The legislation admitted that government actions were based on "race prejudice, war hysteria, and a failure of political leadership."[30] By 1992, the U.S. government eventually disbursed more than $1.6 billion (equivalent to $3,500,000,000 in 2020) in reparations to 82,219 Japanese Americans who had been interned.[29][31]
[+] [-] ghaff|4 years ago|reply
Korematsu v. United States which basically upheld FDR's executive order is probably one of the least defensible SCOTUS decisions of all time and definitely one of the worst if you include a few pre-Civil War cases.
ADDED: And, yes, SCOTUS is political too but it should act as at least some degree of check. I'm also not specifically commenting on any particular decision but I've certainly read decisions (as a non-lawyer) that were counter to my personal preference but which seemed the right thing legally.
[+] [-] avs733|4 years ago|reply
Please explain how science-supported public health measures to control the spread of a deadly infectious disease are similar to imprisonment of a group based on their nationality because they were assumed to be helping the enemy during a way.
You just compared antibiotics and the fear of eclipses.
If institutions can't tell these apart they have already failed...all of them.
[+] [-] unknown|4 years ago|reply
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[+] [-] goldcd|4 years ago|reply
As a non-American, the US does still seem to be a 'very patriotic country' - national anthems played for any reason, standing for flags, pledging allegiance to abstract concepts, USA*n chants to fellow americans etc etc.
Not in itself wrong - but always struck me as a bit try-hard on the homogeneity. Darker edge is that it means you (not you specifically, but <i>you</i>) still label people as being "unamerican".
Even in political discourse - there seems to be an abstract "America" (that everybody loves) and then criticism from both sides is couched in terms of how the other side is trying to destroy this great abstract.
I was just thinking of Eileen Gu and the whole balagan when she chose to compete for China. She's a skier. I can't think of any other country that would get so upset that a national would choose to perform sports for another country.
[+] [-] zxcvbn4038|4 years ago|reply
[+] [-] fr33d0m_|4 years ago|reply
Couldn't you say compared to the current modern day Communist Party of China and being as of today 21 Confusion institutes currently located in the United States? Do you think the current Communist Party of China does not have spies and people designed to infiltrate the United States government and the current Republic in various levels? Haven't they even been stealing secrets and intellectual property from governments?
Also, alerts last month from British Intelligence (MI5) regarding infiltration in their parliament?
And lastly, the CIA finally started a division to investigate China as of late last year.
So if you ask me, if there was a large security threat in the United States or Canada for example or any allied nation regarding spies from lets say the CCP, I believe they should absolutely be investigated and potentially put into secure camps regarding national security of a country.
It's not pretty(war isn't pretty), but how else would a military secure foreign threats in their country?
Sources: https://www.nas.org/blogs/article/how_many_confucius_institu...
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/1/13/chinese-spy-infiltr...
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/06/china-is-stealing-our...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/cia-china-m...
[+] [-] anotherevan|4 years ago|reply
https://podbay.fm/p/david-tennant-does-a-podcast-with/e/1598...
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[+] [-] dathinab|4 years ago|reply
As far as I know the Japanese Americans where forced to sell land they own for close to nothing and where never reimbursed.
[+] [-] WillPostForFood|4 years ago|reply
In 1988, President Ronald Reagan signed into law the Civil Liberties Act of 1988 which officially apologized for the internment on behalf of the U.S. government and authorized a payment of $20,000 (equivalent to $44,000 in 2020) to each former internee who was still alive when the act was passed. The legislation admitted that government actions were based on "race prejudice, war hysteria, and a failure of political leadership."[30] By 1992, the U.S. government eventually disbursed more than $1.6 billion (equivalent to $3,500,000,000 in 2020) in reparations to 82,219 Japanese Americans who had been interned.[29][31]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Liberties_Act_of_1988
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