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prettygood | 4 years ago

This is a very delicate situation that can't be resolved by just sending troops and fighting. Neither the US nor Europe wants to have another world war. Definitely not now nuclear weapons are much more powerful.

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ROTMetro|4 years ago

Then we should not have been encouraging Ukraine the way we have if we knew we didn't have their back. It really was not fair of us (the USA).

s1artibartfast|4 years ago

Ukraine had all of the information as well. They were told they wouldn't be defended by NATO, and they were told that they would be attacked by Russia if they didn't renounce their NATO aspirations.

It was all a big game of chicken to see if Russia was bluffing

AnimalMuppet|4 years ago

I'm pretty sure that we're in World War III. We're just trying to pretend that we're not.

We're at least at the buildup to it.

tyre|4 years ago

This is not a world war. The fighting is specific to a single area.

The Vietnam War involved at least double the number of involved countries and wasn’t considered a world war.

iso1631|4 years ago

The parallels with ww2 are far too easy to draw - the annexation, the failed appeasement attempt, the invasion.

The German invasion of Poland tends to be counted as the "start" of ww2, but the militarisation of the Rhineland, annexation of Austria, and invasion of Czechoslovakia all came first on that front. The global reach was due to European colonies abroad (especially in Africa).

The Japanese invasion of China also predated the start of war in Europe, but the Pacific war doesn't count as starting until the attacks on Hawaii, Philipeenes, Malaya/Singapore, Hong Kong etc in 1941.

Perhaps the next move is Sweden+Finland joining Nato (because clearly not being part of Nato is risky). Either way, perhaps then Russia invades the Baltics (or maybe "Belarus" does for deniability?), triggering wars all along the border. Throw in China using the opportunity to attack Taiwan while America is busy elsewhere, North Korea rolling into South Korea, and various local civil wars (probably instigated by China) in South America to distract the US further, then throw a wildcard like Syria taking a pop at Israel, and it rapidly escalates into a World War.

Historians (if any survive) may lump Crimea, Ukraine, and even places like Georgia, as the "pre-war" battles, it's arguable when local wars get enough to be deemed to be a "World War".