[altgans]

I've been intensively using Orgmode for a year and a half (wrote my thesis in it) and then abandoned it to switch to Markdown.

Orgmode quickly turns into not-quite-plaintext with humanly impossible to read and very distracting data structs stuck inside the text. I think these were called "Properties"?

For me the beauty of plain-text is that it can be read and written in any Editor without needing syntax highlighting. Here Orgmode fails for me, as I found it unreadable and unusable without an Emacs-esque toolkit.

[ubermonkey]

Yeah, I agree. I use org, but if I'm writing a document I'm in Markdown, not the Org markup. It's just noisy.

Emacs partisans are often very, very sure that the emacs way is always the best way, sort of like evangelicals. (And I say this as a guy who has emacs and orgmode open all day, every day.)

[seanw444]

That's a fair gripe, as an Org-mode+Emacs user. I certainly see the clunkiness you experience in its structure. But for me, I find it highly unlikely I'll ever use an editor other than Emacs for anything but basic and quick editing. For things as comprehensive as to necessitate writing in Org-mode, I'd rather do it in Emacs anyways. Need to port it to another editor? Two options: Org-export it to a more portable format, or get started on a comprehensive integration for Org-mode in the new editor.

I personally would be willing to put the time into developing Org-mode functionality on-par with Emacs, in a new editor, if the new editor were to have major advantages over Emacs. But I don't think I'll come across one for a very long time.

[Siira]

The kind of “data-rich” org file you don’t like would presumably be impossible in markdown. So what are you gaining at all? Just don’t write such data-rich org files. That’s totally under your own control.