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gbalint|4 years ago

And the official russian propaganda arrived to HN.

This is such an bad faith take I don't even know how to engage with this. It's not that you believe it was installed in a CIA backed coup, you just _KNOW_ it.

Being from Eastern Europe, I can tell you, it is worth standing up to Russia and not kowtowing to it. It's normal people want to live in close connection with the western world and not in whatever the heck kind of local order Russia is trying to create. And, also, yes, orange man was unbelievably bad and led to the destabilization of the world around. Calling anti-Trumpism stupidity, lets me believe you are the one living in a delusion unable to consider the realities of the world.

sidibe|4 years ago

No you don't understand power politics, sorry you're leaning on your own experience instead of the expert approved only USA and Russia matters geopolitical framework. No way that without CIA puppet masters Ukrainians would use their own will (after all non-powers countries have no will or agency) to choose to orient West like the failed Baltic states and Poland instead of being a thriving Russian vassal like Belarus

oldcigarette|4 years ago

So are we at the point where we deny the Nuland thing every happened? None of this happened under the foreign policy of Trump. I support Ukrainian self determination but this is not what happened and even if it is it is not how Russia perceives which seems entirely reasonable.

ocschwar|4 years ago

Ukraine has held TWO elections since 2014. Those events are moot at this point.

oldcigarette|4 years ago

If you look at election and poll results there is a clear east/west divide in Ukraine. It is not moot and ignoring this factor is woefully uninformed about the causes and perceptions of this event in the east.

mourner|4 years ago

Always funny to read these incredibly dumb & crazy conspiracy theories, and not surprising given how much shit Trump & Putin's propaganda put into your heads.

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