That is the only opinion that's safe to say in the public though, isn't it? So even if that's the only thing heard, it's not clear what the share of the public agreeing with this sentiment is. To my understanding even in Soviet days the people who never had had free media available to them still had a pretty good idea about the dependability of the information provided.
Exactly this. I'd be much more interested in what people say anonymously. Same story anytime you see a North Korean being interviewed with their face visible.
Such a reaction is within expectations — of course there will be resentment, because the tangible consequences of economic hardship on this scale are devastating.
I'd expect such sentiments to continue and amplify over time — but hopefully support for the war will also be driven down in parallel. Even if it's considered a tactical blunder ("we can't afford to keep up this special operation") rather than a moral one.
It seems it depends which generation we're talking about. Younger Russians seems to be the ones most connected and thus aware of what's going on abroad, while middle aged Russians are playing the ostrich and burying their head in the sand. I saw an interview yesterday of a journalist wanting to show 50-something Russian people what's going on in Ukraine, and most of them were like "I don't want to see, get that thing away from me. It's bullshit, that's not what the news has been saying at all. I stand with Putin."
I saw that as well and it was interesting, but unfortunately that style of video (man on the street aka vox populi: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vox_populi) is notorious for "seeming" like its an accurate and balanced survey / measure of public sentiment to a viewer while its still just as editable/influenced by the journalists subconscious or conscious editorial bias as any other form of journalism or propaganda.
I, possibly, saw the same thing. I thought it was fascinating. The 50-somethings mostly following the party line. The 20-something was pretty clearly anti-war and anti-Putin. The 30-something said with a wry smile, "I don't want to talk about it because that is dangerous, here, you know." And my favourite, the 70-something saying, "It is awful. We have lost 500 already [the officially admitted death toll], and for what? We don't know!"
They gonna send nukes because IKEA stopped sending Billy?
I'm not sure Billy will come back that way.
Let's face it: Russia is illegaly invading a foreign country that is fighting back hard. The only way I see out for Russia to save itself is by sending Putin into exile and blame it all on him.
Putin hoped for weakness in the west re sanctions and weapons. They play hardball and now Putin is failing.
edit: I also believe nuclear is the only war Russia could even think about against the west. The army isn't that strong obviously...
It is really a bad situation because NOBODY in the west has thought about attacking Russia at all. It is all in their heads. It's just plain stupid.
I agree with some of your points, but what do you mean by "strong"? Ukraine is not a cake walk, and the most powerful armies in the world could barely contain poor Afghani warlords. This is not easy.
Consider that much of the news of Russian failure is an information op. The Ukrainians are putting up a valiant fight, but the Russians will run them over without support, no doubt about it.
Russia doesn't need to save itself, it's not under any existential threat. Sanctions will hurt, but they'll live. The ordinary people will suffer worst, and the elite will have to make do without holidays in France and Italian marble counter tops, but their positions depend on maintaining the oppressive state system.
I wonder how the Russian population would feel about Putin using a nuclear weapon in Ukraine if it looks like Russia is losing. Are they that far gone, that inhuman? If they are, what do you do about a country like that, who feels that nuking neighbors after your attempt to conquer them fails is justified? I don't believe the Russian people are that far gone.
Maakuth|4 years ago
XorNot|4 years ago
rectang|4 years ago
I'd expect such sentiments to continue and amplify over time — but hopefully support for the war will also be driven down in parallel. Even if it's considered a tactical blunder ("we can't afford to keep up this special operation") rather than a moral one.
1_player|4 years ago
istorical|4 years ago
iamacyborg|4 years ago
goodcanadian|4 years ago
JanSt|4 years ago
I'm not sure Billy will come back that way.
Let's face it: Russia is illegaly invading a foreign country that is fighting back hard. The only way I see out for Russia to save itself is by sending Putin into exile and blame it all on him.
Putin hoped for weakness in the west re sanctions and weapons. They play hardball and now Putin is failing.
edit: I also believe nuclear is the only war Russia could even think about against the west. The army isn't that strong obviously... It is really a bad situation because NOBODY in the west has thought about attacking Russia at all. It is all in their heads. It's just plain stupid.
itsoktocry|4 years ago
I agree with some of your points, but what do you mean by "strong"? Ukraine is not a cake walk, and the most powerful armies in the world could barely contain poor Afghani warlords. This is not easy.
Consider that much of the news of Russian failure is an information op. The Ukrainians are putting up a valiant fight, but the Russians will run them over without support, no doubt about it.
simonh|4 years ago
rectang|4 years ago