[ivan90210]

1 - there will be no Ukraine by the time any of current measures start hurting anyone other than pedestrians. the measures that would work are not being considered seriously by anyone that matters

2 - state-funded actors will still have access to the internet

3 - state agencies will still have access to the internet

4 - pedestrians will still have access to the intranet

5 - it doesn't do anything about the nukes, and as for the threat of Russian tanks rolling their way into Germany, which has been on everyone's minds for the past 8 years, well, don't you feel silly now

[NicoJuicy]

The question was what's the goal.

It's not just limiting current war capacity, but also limiting future war capacity and funds.

From my POV, that seems to be working. You say it isn't, based on what?

> the measures that would work are not being considered seriously

And what are successfull measures according to you?

Additionally, you are severely underestimating what Russia requires to occupy Ukraine vs. Invading. They need an additional willing 500 k. Troops for that. They don't have the numbers and even their FSB report mentions that.

Ps. His children live in Europe, i doubt he'll drop bombs here.

[ivan90210]

>From my POV, that seems to be working. You say it isn't, based on what?

China. they're doing fine without the internet

>And what are successfull measures according to you?

military intervention from the US

>Ps. His children live in Europe, i doubt he'll drop bombs here.

I wish I had your certainty. I've given up trying to predict the future. I hope you're right

[sofixa]

> there will be no Ukraine by the time any of current measures start hurting anyone other than pedestrians. the measures that would work are not being considered seriously by anyone that matters

The measures that would work such as direct sanctions and seizing the assets of a bunch of oligarchs, Putin and his ministers? Which were step 1? Or freezing the Russian central bank's foreign currency reserves?

Furthermore, 2 weeks in, Ukraine is holding out, Russia is bleeding men and equipment, and their advance is pretty much stalled on almost all fronts. They're mobilising museum pieces from the Far East and random civilians vehicles to send to Ukraine, so it doesn't seem like the equipment situation is great. I doubt a mass mobilisation will be gladly accepted by the Russian population, so to what extent they can deal with those loses is yet to see.

Even if Russia manages to conquer all of Ukraine, they couldn't occupy it for lack of troops.

[ivan90210]

>The measures that would work such as ...

measures that would get Russia to withdraw

>Even if Russia manages to conquer all of Ukraine, they couldn't occupy it for lack of troops.

the only if in this war is whether Ukraine surrenders before or after its cities get Second Chechen War treatment