[TestSIM1]

Here in Russia it's a total clusterfuck at this point.

1) Roscomnadzor bans Twitter in Russia.

2) Russian embassy posts on Twitter claiming Mariupol hospital bombing was faked.

It's like:

Should we ban Twitter in Russia? Yes.

Should we keep posting Russian propaganda on Twitter? Also yes.

[lalaland1125]

> Should we keep posting Russian proganda on Twitter? Also yes.

Well, that propaganda is for foreign audiences.

This is 100% consistent. You can believe the game is rigged, but still be forced to play.

[kurthr]

Note, this is exactly as true of Chinese media/propaganda (CGTN etc). They are all over Tiktok, Twitter, Youtube, Facebook etc... but if you see someone posting from there, you can assume that it is likely state sponsored. It is illegal for a national to use a VPN to access those sites, and dangerous to do so if it upsets anyone in power.

[throwuxiytayq]

Ok, yes, correct. But either you're missing the parent poster's point or I'm missing yours.

[tablespoon]

> It's like:

> Should we ban Twitter in Russia? Yes.

> Should we keep posting Russian propaganda on Twitter? Also yes.

That's entirely consistent. It just means (from their perspective) Twitter is for externally-facing propaganda.

IIRC, nationalist Chinese diplomats, the Global Times editor, etc. are all active on Twitter for the same reason.

[pessimizer]

This is normal. The US maintains multiple radio stations (for going on 75 years) that do not broadcast in the US. They often broadcast stuff that Americans would be shocked to hear, like: https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/u-s-government-broadcaster-a...

I think the reason historically here is that there is a prohibition on the CIA disseminating propaganda in the US, IIRC.

[danielktdoranie]

Pretty sure Russia took responsibility for the hospital but my understanding is Russia claims their intelligence was 1.) it was no longer a functioning hospital and 2.) used as a base of operations for the fascist Azov Battalion... not that it didn't happen.

[schleck8]

They claimed they did not destroy the hospital at first and then shifted to calling it an Azov base afaik.

Just like Lavrov yesterday claimed Russia hasn't actually invaded Ukraine.

[throwaway_4ever]

Then that would be the 100th thing they’re calling “Azov Battalion.”

I’m half convinced they see the entire country as “Azov Battalion” and whatever they shell will be given the same excuse.

[scruple]

They can claim whatever they want. They're known liars. What are they claiming as retroactive justification for shooting fleeing civilians?

[watwut]

Which is ... not taking responsibility. And simultaneously it is ... claiming that bombing of maternity ward did not happened.

[at-fates-hands]

Interesting observation. . .

When Crimea was annexed, there were many articles on Azov Battalion and the implications that it was the best thing (capable fighters who will defend the country) and the worst thing (they're Fascists) and how that would play out if Russia invaded.

Since the invasion, I haven't seen any articles on the topic and the US media have gone suddenly silent on their involvement. I find it kind of odd considering there is such a preoccupation with Nazi's in this country, they would just ignore this part of the narrative.

[pyronik19]

It's curious as to why we don't treat western govt / media sources as "propaganda" but everything Russian is. I fully agree with the label, but its not being applied to the west. How long were western media just regurgitating that "biolabs" was "Russian disinformation" and writing "fact checks" which just parrot the official government narrative until they realized the Russians were going to capture them then they just admit it in an open hearing? I don't believe a word of what either side says. The moral superiority gap has shrunk to next to nothing.

[AYBABTME]

Which open hearing?

[lalaland1125]

The implication that Ukrainian biolabs were developing bioweapons is Russian disinformation.

There are biolabs in almost every country. Almost every university will have one for example.

https://www.state.gov/the-kremlins-allegations-of-chemical-a... is the full US government statement. Which part do you think is inaccurate?

[mensetmanusman]

What would happen if Twitter banned Russia in response to being banned…

Good or bad decision?

[duxup]

Well they want to reach the outside world so yeah they use Twitter and etc.

[listless]

Is banning effective? Can’t you just hop on a VPN and be done with it? Do they block that too?

[kurthr]

Yes, although it will "go down on your permanent record". As long as you don't post anything identifiable online or upset anyone, you probably won't be arrested.

[TestSIM1]

Some VPN sites and apps (Google Play and App Store) are banned.

Still for now getting a VPN isn't that hard.

[__s]

It's effective enough

[CyanBird]

Voice of America, RadioFarda, RadioSvoboda and RadioFreeAsia all are by law prohibited to publish their "news" to US public because these disinfo operations are aimed to foreign audiences

[croes]

1) ban for russian citizens 2) no ban for russian authorities.

Simple as that.

1 is for in, 2 is for out