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CraneWorm | 4 years ago

> Students getting caught in mass cheating or deploying sly means to not get caught is not uncommon in India where competition is fierce as aspirants outnumber the number of vacancies for a job and seats in colleges for courses.

I'd like to read a long form piece on this subject. What's being done about it? India is a huge country, they need specialists no doubt!

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supercheetah|4 years ago

The hyper competitiveness seems to be a problem. I'm not sure what the answer is, but students need a way to be able fail honestly without shame so that when they do succeed, they do so without needing to cheat.

kodah|4 years ago

He'd been taking the test for 11 years, that seems like allowing them to fail honestly.

firebird|4 years ago

It's a cultural thing. It's literally a do or die situation for everyone to do well in school. Or you would have shamed your family. But, things are getting better, as cultural expectations are subsiding. I think in the next couple decades, India will be on par with the West in terms of social expectations as the average gross income and GDP of the country continues to go up. I think China is starting to see the same thing now.

gunfighthacksaw|4 years ago

It’s unfortunate because the exam cheater is such a prevalent stereotype, yet I have worked with many people from India who were deep thinkers with a love of their subject.

I wonder how many potential visionaries get filtered by association with these cheaters as well as more traditional racism.

genedan|4 years ago

Economically, this puzzles me. I'd think that if quantity supplied were so high the equilibrium wage would drop to the point where excess people would stop trying to become doctors, or at least to the point where surgically implanting things wouldn't be worth the hassle. Is there something in India propping up wages for those professions?

SQueeeeeL|4 years ago

You'd also think the 40 hour work week would be a thing of the past with automation. People are just very good at building walked gardens and elite communities while forcing others to be "lower class"

SkittyDog|4 years ago

Because it's not a "free market". The supply of doctors is legally limited... It's illegal to practice medicine without being licensed. And the number of licenses granted is limited.

The license limits could be direct, like taxi medallions in New York City... Or the limits can be indirect, like how the AMA defines the number of medical residencies in the United States.

Even in supposedly "free market" countries like the United States, we often have significant restrictions on all sorts of markets. The reasons vary.

thawaya3113|4 years ago

What matters is not the number of doctors but the number of doctors per capita.

India has both low number of doctors per capita, and low supply for educating doctors.

pempem|4 years ago

The ability to immigrate elsewhere with incentives skills from countries not incentivizing the growth of their own medical field for a number of reasons.

sdeframond|4 years ago

Maybe the number of licenses issued is limited by law? It is the case in France for example.

conradev|4 years ago

This is a problem in the US: https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/4561/does-the-a...

colinmhayes|4 years ago

The doctor shortage in the US is because current law effectively limits the number of residency slots to 100k, pushing out foreign graduates who may have earned a spot and causing medical schools to expand slower than they would like due to fear of not matching graduates.