[yznovyak]

It's really weird to see people here arguing about any kind of support for this modern fascism. Guys, whether you like it or not, there's war going. Right now the war is fought in Ukraine -- I no longer have a home to return to, my parents are sheltering in the basement, and while I'm relatively OK I do have friends who were murdered when Russia shelled Kharkiv.

But there's another aspect of this war -- information war. And it's being fought right now everywhere. While you argue against any censorships, Russia bans/jails/fines/kills EVERYTHING that doesn't strictly follow official party guidelines.

1. Russia bans everything that they don't 100% control: Facebook, Twitter, Instagram. Heck, Meta is now officially an "extremist organization". I'm not even talking about other large media outlets -- all banned, latest example I've heard is German DW.

2. You're in Russia you are not allowed to call this a war, because official position that this is a "special operation". People do get fined for this.

3. They fined a guy with a sign "Фашизм не пройдеш" (== "no to fascism", but literal translation would be "Fascism will not pass"). Courts ruled this to be "discrediting of the Russian Army". People are constantly jailed/fined for "no to war" signs and for their posts on VK (Russian clone of FB). Even high profile people are censoring themselves online. Even high profile people (Yevgeny Roizman) are being investigated for a simple "like" in a social media.

4. There are pro-war rallies. Regular people are beaten up and harassed for "no to war".

5. Whether you like it or not, but Z became Russia's swastika. Main TV channels openly support it and openly discuss plans about turning western world into ashes. Prime time TV openly discusses the war plans and how those shouldn't stop with Ukraine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgcP30dIIqw main propagandist (Solovyev) openly says "with sanctions like those why do we have to stop [at Ukraine]?" and "seven troubles -- one answer -- all world to ashes", which paraphrased means that they have a universal answer to any trouble: nuclear bomb ("all world to ashes"). Or another openly discussed plan how would they conquer Europe: https://www.unian.net/russianworld/u-soloveva-obsuzhdayut-ok... Or another one: https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1506315902169534464

7. Putin's rhetoric resemble's Hitler's to an uncanny degree. "National traitors", "solution to the ukrainian question", etc.

8. https://t.me/nexta_live/20770 yep, it's exactly what it looks like.

9. They terrorize anyone with at least a bit of opposition. They threw a severed pig's head in a wig to the doorsteps of Alexey Venediktov apartment (chief editor of "Echo of Moscow" radio station (recently banned, of course)). Oh, and Ukrainian emblem with "Judensau" (== "jewish pig", an anti-semitism thing). This is not a unique thing -- if you want, I'll give you a couple more examples. But the main thing is that perpetrators could not be found.

So please, for your own sake, do not help those propagandists in any way, because they don't play by the same rules as you do.

[AnimalMuppet]

> So please, for your own sake, do not help those propagandists in any way, because they don't play by the same rules as you do.

They don't. The question is, what do we want to do about it? Do we want to keep playing by our rules, or start playing by theirs?

If we continue to play by ours, do we lose, or do we win?

If we adopt theirs, do we win, or do we lose?

Note well: I am not claiming that I have answers to these questions. But I think the questions are very important.

[ls15]

I agree with 1 through 9, but none of these points explain, how banning the letter "Z" is doing anything that is helpful. Maybe it doesn't.

[blindmute]

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