[asey]

But where is the apple? That is, where is the emergent phenomenon of the apple?

[simonh]

The emergent phenomenon is a pattern in my brain, just as a running a computer program is an emergent phenomenon in a computer.

If the extra thing dualism adds is just behaviours of matter, how is that different from materialism?

[mensetmanusman]

Who is reading the Apple?

[gaganyaan]

There isn't a platonic ideal "Apple" if that's what you mean by emergent phenomenon.

A collection of neurons can build a model of the world that includes its experience of apples, and from that, dedicate some neurons to representing a particular instance of an apple. This model isn't the reality of "Apples", though, and is physically located in the brain.

[mensetmanusman]

“ There isn't a platonic ideal "Apple" if that's what you mean by emergent phenomenon.”

Sure there is, that’s what DeepMind showed us with how to find cats in images :)