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bwoodward | 3 years ago

You can find his mixes on Nirvana's youtube channel --- Heart Shaped Box [1]

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9pwGlgQz2E

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MrScruff|3 years ago

Oh that's cool! I remember hearing about this mix at the time and wondering how it would sound. I much prefer it, way more in keeping with the indie 'live' vibe of the rest of the album and it feels darker/more menacing because of the greater contrast between the verses and chorus.

I actually always felt the original track stood out (in a bad way) on the album and it's interesting to hear how much of that was introduced by the remix.

The recording style Albini uses here was also in evidence with another classic rock album he references here, PJ Harvey's 'Rid of Me'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVeP-AHFk-s

Some people (eg. Elvis Costello) hate this 'naturalistic' style, but I think the overproduced style that dominates radio often strips tracks of their personality.

pschuegr|3 years ago

Got a source for that Elvis Costello opinion? I'd like to read more.

jhap|3 years ago

Can someone with more experience help me recognize the differences between this version and the released version? I'm having trouble hearing them.

hluska|3 years ago

First off, that’s cool too!!

If you want to get into it, start by putting the released version on repeat and listen to it a few times in a row. To start, focus on Kurt Cobain’s voice, specifically where it ‘sits’ in the mix. Then, switch to Steve Albini’s version.

When I hear Steve Albini’s version, Kurt Cobain’s voice is less pronounced. What do you think??

If that helps, I can point out more differences. Or, maybe you can point out some you hear?

parenthesis|3 years ago

To me the differences matter much less than the fact that after about a minute and a half you've basically heard the whole song, and then I just get bored.

Which is funny, as there are many very repetitive tracks I like with long running times which never bore me. (Random example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXbdzLgwME0 .)

mixedbit|3 years ago

If you are using laptop speakers you may heave troubles hearing any difference, try headphones instead.

agumonkey|3 years ago

Impressive, it's a lot heavier and ~indie. Strange to revisit these times.

bwoodward|3 years ago

if you like a less polished sound, you should tuck into the Nirvana demos [1]. Back in the day it was really difficult to acquire these things (mainly trading or buying CDRs later on).

Nirvana is an excellent rabbit hole band, though. There are plenty of b-sides, bootlegs, demos, technically unreleased tracks, compilations, etc etc. They've released box sets that have pretty much everything besides the live bootlegs.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoBcTBkNp94

ch4s3|3 years ago

I can’t put my finger on it but that just sounds wrong to me.

jdelman|3 years ago

Kurt's vocals on the verses are panned left as if he's standing there. They're double-tracked on the album mix, which was a technique John Lennon used that Kurt admired. The reverb really sounds like a room. Guitars are definitely overdubbed on the final mix with the distortion cranked up, rather than sounding like one gentler guitar. I would say the bass seems not quiet but like it's "hiding" behind the guitars - it's not cutting through the mix the way it does on the album version. Seems to be a different guitar take for the solo - there's a pretty noticeable wah-wah effect on the guitar solo in Albini's mix.

Overall Albini's mix sounds much more live, which is exactly what he had in mind before he recorded with the band. The final mix is compressed, balanced, radio-friendly: it sounds more like it could fit on Nevermind than some of the other songs on In Utero.

bwoodward|3 years ago

Its tough to listen to a different mix when we've been enjoying the original for over 25 years. This video [1] compares them, but I'm with you with it sounding off. In Heart Shaped Box, the effect around 2m53s[2] is too jarring compared to the final mix we got.

I might be wrong, but I've always felt like Albini's aim to sound like you're in the room with the band, where the drums boom and the vocals are quieter.

[1] https://youtu.be/W6Gp8up3l8Y [2] https://youtu.be/F9pwGlgQz2E?t=173

raverbashing|3 years ago

Interesting. There are definitely interesting aspects but the volume gating(?) on the start of the chorus are a No-no for me

It definitely feel more "indie" but not 100% in a good way for me.

keeglin|3 years ago

Thank you for this! That just brightened my evening. It's sounding _incredible_.