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throwaway599281 | 3 years ago

>What would 1.2 billion refugees do? Stay in their countries and improve them just like Westerners do?

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ben_w|3 years ago

Humans are not fish, and cannot remain in place when farmland becomes shallow salt water ocean.

Sea level rises are merely one of the things that can cause mass displacement, no matter how much other people moan about it.

I’m fairly optimistic about the future — I see this warning from the UN and think “this degree of reduction in greenhouse gas emissions is achievable in this timeframe” — but even so I’m still expecting New Orleans and a significant depth of the Italian coast from roughly San Marino to Trieste to disappear.

ClumsyPilot|3 years ago

You do realise that it's Westerners causing climate change, not starving villagers in Sub-saharan africa?

Some of the first refugees will be from California. The reservoids that are not at record-low took 20 years to fill, they are never coming back.

toomuchtodo|3 years ago

California has enough clean energy to desal for human consumption [1] [2]. Ag is another story, but no one needs to flee California due to water needs [3] (human consumption is ~10-20% of total use). Also, the regulation story of water for Ag in California is improving, albeit slowly [4].

[1] https://app.electricitymap.org/zone/US-CAL-CISO?wind=false&s... (Scroll to "Origin of electricity in the last 24 hours" in left nav; during daylight hours, 75%-90% of total generation are low carbon sources; and I expect that to hit 100% in the next 2-3 years based on CAISO's generator interconnect queue)

[2] https://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/images/figure_6_01_c... (refer to California solar [yellow] and batteries [gray] coming online this year)

[3] https://www.ppic.org/publication/water-use-in-california/

[4] https://www.npr.org/2021/10/07/1037369959/new-protections-fo...

nostrademons|3 years ago

80% of California's water goes to agriculture. In a water crisis - which is pretty likely - the first step is to stop growing avocados and almonds. This should free up more than enough water to keep the urban areas going, as long as residents conserve water and don't waste it watering lawns and such.

geraneum|3 years ago

The irony! Aren’t the industrial countries the biggest contributors to climate change?

throwaway599281|3 years ago

And are also the leading countries promoting cleaner alternatives to all human activites.

What you're missing is that if underdeveloped countries were even capable of reaching the same stage of development we and East Asian countries enjoy, they would contribute as much, and that is actually their goal.