[mrjangles]

> This is the precise argument in favor of diversity: that we have, for centuries now, been discriminating on the basis of race and selecting inferior performers over better choices because they were white, or male.

If people who believed this could actually present a shred of evidence that it is true, then a lot of people would be a lot more receptive to these ideas.

[olliej]

Are you fucking kidding?

We can look back to the 70s when black americans were legally prohibited from certain jobs. Or prohibited from from owning property in most areas.

In the 80s we have plenty of lawsuits demonstrating the black americans were routinely denied home loans because they were black.

Most of the Ivy League colleges denied entry to black americans no matter the quality of their character. This racism remains entrenched, and leaves a lasting legacy of bias through legacy admissions, formalized hereditary entrance: the original positive discrimination.

The legacy admissions also provide the formal evidence of the original claim: people who's admission to a good school has nothing to do with their skill, merely being white allowing their family to have attended any school.

[mrjangles]

Ok you have provided zero evidence of anything happening today, the best you had is 40 years ago, and that one was false.

>In the 80s we have plenty of lawsuits demonstrating the black Americans were routinely denied home loans because they were black

This has been proven statistically false. Easily proven because if it were true, the black people that were accepted for home loans would have lower default rates than whites. In fact, they had exactly the same default rates as whites and when laws were introduced to force banks to accept more blacks, the default rate increased above whites. Proving race was never considered, just the chance of repaying the load.

Anyway, since you are only talking about history, lets put it into historical context.

Racism was pushed heavily by the big government socialists and the intellectual elite who called themselves "the progressive movement" for a very long time in the US, and was opposed by the Republican party, who thought everyone should be treated equally, for just as long.

One can't help but notice, it is exactly the same people, and with exactly the same economic and collectivist ideas who are pushing the exact same racist policies today, like affirmative action against Asians, for example. The same people who have always been responsible for the problem saying "we are now solving racism with more racism" doesn't impressive me much. To accept this I would need some evidence that today's world, with the new ideas that everyone should be treated equally regardless of their race, is not working.

Evidence which you have not provided.

>The legacy admissions also provide the formal evidence of the original claim: people who's admission to a good school has nothing to do with their skill, merely being white allowing their family to have attended any school.

This ended with the introduction of standardized testing. A policy that is now being challenged by people who follow your ideology.