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mrjangles | 3 years ago

>have this shitty ideology where the individual matters more than ... the collective

You do realize that the 20th century gave us very good reason to feel this way right?

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lupire|3 years ago

The collective is not the same thing as an all-powerful state.

mrjangles|3 years ago

Two things:

1) An all powerful state is the logical conclusion of anyone who believes the collective is more important than the individual.

2) There were many benevolent all powerful states during the 20th century, but every single powerful state that believed in collectivism turned into a murdering hell hole filled with poverty and suffering where the poorest people risked their lives to flee to countries that believed the individual is more important than the collective.