[tabokie]

I'm glad you mentioned. Those satellite images are jokes to most Chinese people. In fact, the western media's coverage of Xinjiang has demonstrated your hypocrisy to those of us who didn't know it before. After this, I think it's safe to say that western mainstream media has lost its credibility in China. Some of us (not me) don't even believe Bucha massacre, just because we heard it from your mouths.

Just for your consideration, I'm a pretty liberal person and I don't like my government more than you do. And I have plans to immigrate to EU in near future.

[thfuran]

>Those satellite images are jokes to most Chinese people.

Why?

>In fact, the western media's coverage of Xinjiang has demonstrated your hypocrisy to those of us who didn't know it before.

How so?

[tabokie]

For the first question, most of us choose to believe our fellow citizens (who can easily travel to the regions highlighted in those satellite images) over western reporters. Plus the criminal acts described in western media sound more like US's doing rather than what we could picture our public officials.

The second one is more complicated. Our public consensus is, we *need* to apply some policies in Xinjing that can seem more "restraining" than the rest of China. It's because the west has chosen Xinjiang as one of its handles of infiltration. Historically, several major armed riots have happened in this area. Hundreds if not more Han (the majority ethnic group) civilians were killed.

Also there is this sanction on Xinjiang cotton. We all know how small Xinjiang's economy is within China. The sanction only does harm to Xinjiang's people than it influenced those policies. And yes, it is such a typical western propaganda tool that is drenched with consumerism.

[throwaway290]

I am Russian and I have been informed about the hypocrisy of the communist regime that my parents grew up in. Yes, train tickets are cheap, but a pretty big downside is that citizens can only think what power-hungry country bosses demand them to think.

I do not have an opinion on Bucha because I did not study evidence yet. However, while some Western media exaggerated at some points, it is not even remotely comparable with lies told by the Russian side. (I have relatives in Ukraine who had to leave a city as it was being destroyed by military activity, so I know a fair bit from their words.) Priors tell me Bucha news is likely to be at least 50% true, sadly.

[NmAmDa]

Excuse me, but why would we take what most Chinese people believe as a factor when trying to verify or understand their government actions against Muslim minority?

I mean not to say that Chinese people that most of them probably never heared (or cannot) of the tank man would be a good judgment about truth which the government are hiding on a regular basis.

[tabokie]

I did not mention anything about "truth". Truth is a myth, especially in this era.

What I did talk about, was how the average people in China think about all these. Note that all "genocide" evidence present here, is available in China (not as raw material maybe, but referenced and discussed). It's very different from tank man, which is hidden in public discussion.

And since you mentioned, tank man (89 incident as we call it), is actually a well-known fact (I might be biased, but since high school, my peer occasionally talked about it). It's just forbidden to talk about it in public.

[Iwan-Zotow]

there is no bucha massacre, all of it is us media invention