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I partially agree with that shaming strangers might not be a good way forward. But I also believe in some basic level of 'holding each other accountable'.

Maybe, besides political leaders and businesses, that should be limited to inner circle family and friends with whom you have a more complex relationship, and where there is a little bit more receptiveness towards critique. Even in that context it's probably better to just live the lifestyle yourself and hope they will follow.

On the other hand, if you put something out there, to be discussed publicly on HN, I don't feel obliged to only give positive feedback necessarily. Also, the author picked this up in a really nice way and has already added carbon stats to the page.

But man, it's so hard if you deeply care about something to keep your mouth shut. I don't know if you have any topics that make you feel like that?

Edit: actually responding to the rest of your comment, I'm a strong believer in the power of individual choices. The whole plant-based movement for example in The Netherlands (and outside) over the last few years was fully driven by individual consumer choices and little bits of money shifting in other directions. European politics actually tried to hinder it for a while, but at some point when something becomes the popular thing to think, politics will have to follow.

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>> But I also believe in some basic level of 'holding each other accountable'.

I agree. There are certainly climate-related things I try to hold my extended family to account over (e.g. basics like recycling). I guess where we disagree is where the line is and how much criticism we’re willing to accept and impart :)

Thanks for discussing it with me so pleasantly.