[abdel_nasser]

wow that was really long but i read almost all of it. a lot of it is just going into details that are necessary to condemn him without committing libel, i feel like. the most impressive bit is that he became the CEO of a publicly traded company with totally fake CV and no education and was paid more than a million dollars. and now he works at a gun shop literally across the street from the old bike shop, peddling lies about being in the special forces.

it always astounds me how stupid people are. when i was 14 i had a buddy who was really into cycling and he told me that lance armstrong, a national hero at that point, was a liar and a doper. it seemed insane to me and i just brushed it off. and then a long time after that, it was in the headlines. in retrospect it was completely obvious. there are a lot of things like that. here is something that will seem insane to you but will be in the headlines in a decade or two: saturated animal fat doesnt cause heart disease. it will be fun to think back!

[hervature]

I'm going to push back on the Lance Armstrong bit. As you point out, anyone who followed racing at the time knew that the top tier were all doping or at least some if you wanted to pretend your hero was clean. Here is a retrospective article about its pervasiveness [1]. But, it does not take much intelligence to figure out that a banned substance, EPO, that did not have a test until 2000 was being used in the 90s. The reason why Armstrong is much more infamous is because the scale of the operation the U.S. Postal Service Pro Cycling Team was conducting and the leading role Armstrong played on the team and the success he had. That being said, putting ethics aside for a second, what they did is no different than the level of performance squeezing that teams like Ineos or Jumbo Visma do today. They weren't gaining by the lies themselves (like the person in the story) but to keep their methods hidden from other teams.

[1] - https://www.businessinsider.com/lance-armstrong-doping-tour-...

[PrefixKitten]

Reminds me of these here stories from Darrell Waltrip about some of the ways the NASCAR teams use to cheat back in his era lol very interesting bit of racing history that doesn't usually get talked about =p

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLNT8_ZkwaE&t=218s

[pikma]

> saturated animal fat doesnt cause heart disease

Can you please tell me more? I would love for this to be true, is there evidence for this?

[jnsaff2]

I guess this book is a good start [0].

I read it, I wanted to believe it but I will not endorse what’s in there (mostly because I am now much more cautious about cherry picked slick slightly against the establishment stories).

While here I will post a book that did change my life in a rather dramatic fashion [1].

Also a good functional medicine doctor is worth every bill they charge.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_We_Get_Fat

[1] https://www.amymyersmd.com/sp/the-thyroid-connection-paperba...

[pards]

The diet-heart hypothesis promoted by Ancel Keys was based on bad science, cherry-picked data, and gross generalisations. The saturated fat used in his experiments was vegetable oil (margarine) and he extrapolated the results to animal fat.

The current theory is that heart disease is caused by vegetable oil and sugar.

The Paleo and keto enthusiasts demonize Keys as the root cause of the western world's obesity problem.

For books, try

    * "Good calories, bad calories" - Gary Taubes
    * The Paleo Solution - Robb Wolf

[Bancakes]

How do people manage to read modern science with a straight face? Is there anything more scientific - verifiable and reproducible - than our ancestral family tree relying on meats and saturated fats to live?