[freddybobs]

I can't speak for original poster. But in 2018 - fascism, authoritarianism and break down of political discourse were very alarming. Now in 2022, we see it is likely Roe vs Wade gets overturned. The basis of that argument works for throwing out civil rights, contraception and voting rights. There are already moves in some states to make abortion murder and so punishable by death.

And that's not even getting into the attempted coup.

I'd say that's all pretty terrifying.

I think I'd agree that in 2018, if you were paying attention, that the 'smell' was that's where we were heading.

Now we are here.

[immigrantheart]

To be fair, people who are on the other side of the proverbial fence issue across you also see the same problem.

[freddybobs]

No 'they' don't. And prefixing with 'to be fair' is sadistically hilarious in context.

To clarify. There are people who want fascism. Who want authoritarianism. Who are purposefully breaking political discourse. Who think women should be forced to have babies even if there is incest and rape. That if they get an abortion they could potentially get the death penalty. That white people are superior. That overthrowing the democracy is good (if they are doing the overthrowing). And on and on...

So no and 'to be fair', 'the other side of the proverbial fence' absolutely do not 'also see the same problem.'

[gonehome]

> “The basis of that argument works for throwing out civil rights, contraception and voting rights.”

I don’t think this is true? I’m in favor of women having the right to abortion, but my understanding of the anti-abortion steelman position is that it stems from defending individual rights of the unborn (basically fetal personhood). That doesn’t really apply to restricting any of these other rights - it’s a special case (if anything it should be an argument for increasing availability of contraception).

The real discussion should be about that bit imo, but both camps are often talking past each other without engaging on the core disagreement. For example, the bodily autonomy argument falls flat if you believe the unborn have individual rights that are being violated.

[dataangel]

The leak contains logic that deletes the rights to privacy and bodily autonomy completely. It can absolutely be generalized to saying contraception bans are constitutional.