[grkhetan]

He was young that time -- that does not mean he was dishonest for the rest of his life. And secondly, Woz loves him. Who are you dislike him, based on what Steve did to Woz, who knows what their relationship was...Since Woz loves him, I think this resolves the matter. Remember Steve made Woz a multi-millionaire by creating Apple, by providing his vision, entrepreneurial, marketing, business skills to his technical skills.

Similarly, people criticize him for bad behavior to his employees, but I see all apple employees love him (and love him much more than employees in most other companies love their leader) -- since I am an apple employee myself, I know. So I am not sure other people should dislike him for that when the actual employees that he talked to liked him (obviously there would be exceptions, some people obviously did not like him, but most did)

[samstave]

>Since Woz loves him, I think this resolves the matter

No it does not.

That is NOT what I am arguing - you are putting emotion into a technical claim.

Apple's products are amazing - but to say that Jobs was anything less than SHREWD is just naive.

EDIT:

I DO NOT DISLIKE Jobs.

I am making the point that he was an amazing shrewd businessman - I am not calling him dishonest - I AM calling his tactic exploitative.

Good luck saying they are not. Quality and Success are NOT an issue I am discussing.

[samstave]

That's not what I said - being dishonest and being exploitative are not synonymous per se.

SJ and Apple have been fantastically successful at leveraging their position. The company has produced amazing products, but you'd be foolish to think that their margins aren't anything but ridiculous.