There are no conclusions to draw here. The study doesn't "show" anything -- it indicates a need for further research. I'm disappointed that Nature.com is engaging in this kind of sensational journalism.
From their own article:
> He praises the study, which was difficult to perform because of the amount and quality of data, but adds that it is limited because it does not break the data down by key factors, such as the participants’ medical history. “These are very important questions we need answers to,” Putrino says. “We don’t have any really well constructed studies just yet.”
The study also doesn't seem to control for comorbid mental health issues. The pandemic caused a massive spike in anxiety and depression, which (by themselves or due to medications) can result in the same symptoms used to diagnose long Covid in this study: brain fog and fatigue.
The problem is we've set-up asymmetric incentive structure. Say, there are some uncertainties regarding the risk and aftermath of COVID. If you genuinely underestimate the risk, then you are a pro-grandma killer and one of the worst human beings in the world. But if you overplay the risk, then you are an amazing human being whose only flaw is caring too much about human lives. Unfortunately this becomes another 'The Boy Who Cried Wolf' story and also causes a lot of harm in the long run.
Was this study also with an average age of 71? (cohort was US veterans with 3 week vax interval. Also baseline mortality in the group was 1% over 6mo - definitely an older, vulnerable population).
So yeah, not a representative study at all.
And I'm someone who's somewhat concerned specifically about long covid.
> I'm disappointed that Nature.com is engaging in this kind of sensational journalism.
I am too, but it is not surprising. It's getting them page views. We're also going to be seeing "long covid" articles for years to come as it's going to be a goldmine for research funding.
The problem with a study like this is that they probably aren't doing a good job distinguish true long covid from psychosomatic long covid. And there is a lot of evidence that "long covid" correlates much more highly with pre-existing anxiety levels than disease severity.
I think long covid exists I just think there is also a lot of psychosomatic long covid and until we have a good diagnostic criteria to differentiate the two it'll be really hard to study it.
The two most easily diagnosable metrics are a blood test showing reactivated EBV and/or a POTS diagnosis (which involves measurements of how your blood pressure and heart rate change while changing positions). Just because someone doesn't have those doesn't mean they aren't suffering long term effects from COVID.
I've had both consistently for about 2 years now, along with some other neurological symptoms post-covid (no clinical anxiety or depression though). It's made me more of a believer in listening to other people's experiences.
It's not an easy distinction to make though. Actual "long COVID" itself is likely to be a collection of ailments (recovery from physical damage to lungs and cardiovascular system, post-viral trigger happy immune systems, possible opportunistic infection or symptoms of existing latent virus due to COVID-induced weakness) which differ from person to person and at least some of those ailments plausibly interact with anxiety (a psychological problem that has physiological effects on blood pressure, cortisol levels etc itself)
The media wants you to believe that the vaccine protects against longterm covid. If it doesn't many people would skip the upcoming 4th, 5th, 6th round because it is providing no additional protection against the latest variants.
But here is an actual study that goes against this story. Will you believe science or myth? Are there enough excuses to keep the myth alive?
Hypermobility (cartilage dysfunction) and anxiety disorders correlate.
Vitamin D and K interact with cartilage.
Vitamin D deficiency and severity of covid infection correlate. As does obesity. Obesity causes vitamin D deficiency.
Brainfog is a symptom of covid and causes some people to fall down levels of maslow’s hierarchy of needs.
Falling down maslow’s hierarchy of needs causes anxiety.
Anxiety depletes the body of B vitamins. B vitamin deficiencies can impact on glutathione production. Glutathione deficiency can impact immune function.
Spinal alignment/stability helps one maintain focus. Poor spinal alignment causes the brain to burn energy on proprioception. Causing mental fatigue, ie brainfog.
When the body is under stress the cellular membranes become less functional. I think this an immune protective mechanism (speculative). I think you can control cellular permeability with lipid ratio ingestion and calorie management. Cellular permeability affects the mitochondrial energy production and immunity. It makes sense that cellular protection is optimised over energy production when recuperating from a viral illness.
The brain impacts the immune system, there is immune memory stored in the brain.
I was diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome 4 years ago after contracting a chinese flu.
I am writing this because when people write the word psychosomatic I think the same thing. I just think no-one in medicine has a comprehensive understanding of what psychosomatic is.
I also think long-covid is worse than chronic-fatigue. The base damage is worse, then there is the same viral borne psychosomatic condition layered over the top of it.
What the people safely ensconsed up maslow’s needs hierarchy often fail to understand is the immense stress felt by the people sliding down it.
Incremental motivation and autonomy is hugely important to mental health. The homeless and mentally discounted don’t get much. So there’s this often unarrestable downward spiral.
When you land literally on the floor. The way back up is swimmers stretchers an arm, then a leg, then a leg, then an arm. Build up that spinal strength and propioception with whatever spare energy the body has available to it. It takes at least six months and there are numerous crashes.
You need to eat really simple foods because the brain goes into ptsd mode and hypersensitivities emerge.
You need a really comfortable bed because you are in constant pain and can’t sleep.
You need to know you won’t be homeless because the anxiety will wipe out the b-vitamins faster than the you can ingest them.
The support groups will tell you you have a 5% chance of recovery.
I think it is a psychosomatic illness as well but medication won’t help. I also think some people’s immune systems end up in such a state of depletion that it is just a pure untreatable illness for them.
If you try and communicate any of this in the midst of brain-fog the natural assumption is that you are whinging and crazy. Forgiveness helps, anger management helps.
I think permeability of the membrane inner ear is the underlying causitive mechanism of long-covid chronic fatigue syndrome. You need really good potassium concentration in the inner ear for proprioception to work effectively. Lying down plus the cellular stress permeability response depletes this concentration. Hypermobility exacerbates the problem, the membrane is partially cartilagenous.
This leads to brainfog and fatigue when moving. You have to build yourself up really slowly and there are alot of critics. Outwardly you don’t look that terrible.
I spent time figuring this out to get better. Now I work in telesales because a failure mode of the prefrontal cortex (requiring the most brain energy kind of) is that you tend to talk alot.
I’m getting better, slowly crawling back up Maslow’s hierrarchy. No doctor told me any of this.
I got lucky, didn’t believe my diagnosis initially. (Takes the average person 7 years to be disgnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome). I asked for the most alternative physio at the practice I went to for the constant pain. He wouldn’t discuss the condition at all but he got me doing swimmers stretches and propioception exercises.
I can do sideplanks now. What people don’t understand is that your energy doesn’t collapse immediately. It takes up to 72 hours post exertion for the mitochondria to be overwhelmed and the fatigue and brainfog to kick in.
It is very easy for people to arrive at a place of learned helplessness. It is very easy for family members to question your behaviours from the perspective of mental illness. When you yourself don’t understand why your own energy is collapsing.
You can’t differentiate psycho-somatic from the physical. All that will help it is treatment plans that assume there isn’t a psychological cure in and of itself. Physical therapy is hugely important. More research is required into the base damage of the corona-virus. Then the treatment plan needs to regularly tweaked till it gets to the point of basic health maintenance.
No-one’s getting rich of this so I can’t see it happening soon.
My dream is a better collaborative information system for treating chronic illness. I think people are overly focused on causative mechanisms. Body’s heal themselves given the right conditions.
I wish a company existed where people report their pre-existing conditions, symptoms and medical test and diagnostic result then get given a best-practice treatment plans. The results of the treatment plans are monitored using fitbits. Then incremental adjustments are made to the treatment plan using machine learning to search for symptom dopplegangers and discover what worked and what didn’t for other health dopplegangers.
I don’t know why this doesn’t exist. I think the returns on medical research are getting less and less. The body is multisystemic and everybody is unique. But with 8 billion people there are loads of symptom dopplegangers. We don’t need to know why something works to know that it works. The search for why has diminishing return with each level of complexity. A smaller and smaller percentage of the population can afford the latest medical treatments. Medical research is expensive and wasteful. The top of maslow’s hierarchy is really saying that there is no need for why just being.
I think collaborative sympton doppleganger machine learning optimised treatment plans should be the future of medicine. It is what computer innovation should be about.
There should also be a whole lot more research into vitamin-d vitamin k and cholesterol metabolism. This is an intersection of multi-systemic conditions where membrane permeability, hyper-mobility and anxiety correlate.
You can test for hypermobility by straightening your elbow. If it goes backward even a bit, delve further, you are bendy and may need to manage that bendiness proactively.
It seems like there must be a million confounding factors at thing point. Given that immunity eventually wanes and new variants show up, at what point is a person considered no longer 'vaccinated?' I get that people were excited to not need masks anymore, but I'm hanging on to my n95 in most indoor situations, even in my relatively low-risk region.
> Given that immunity eventually wanes and new variants show up
Immunity isn't one thing that wanes.
T-cells are largely permanent and cross-reactive. Somatic hypermutation means that you have B-cells to variants which don't exist yet which can be quickly activated if you encounter them.
There's more to the immune system than circulating NAbs.
The 2009 H1N1 flu pandemic was a bit of a nothingburger because after mutating in pigs for at least 50 years, people born before 1957 still had cross-reactive T-cells to the H1 protein so old people were already immunized.
This is not the human immune system's first goat rodeo with a pandemic virus.
It sure seems like a lot of people in the medical community are taking it pretty seriously. Given the quantity of medical journal articles discussing long covid, I'm going to go with YES
It is in articles, and you will not have difficulties in finding anecdotal evidence. Of course, it will depend on the definition. It should be normal to believe that some can suffer semipermanent damages; it is more urging to assess and define the more subtle ones, for mild cases.
It is not clear (to some who follow the matter reasonably in their time) how permanent the damage will be, but for example the first article that results to a search, the "famous" recent "similar in magnitude to the effects of ageing between 50 and 70 years of age",
mentions 10 IQ points lost in a number of patients months after hospitalization... They note: «it is very possible that some of these individuals will never fully recover».
No and yes. Long covid is nothing special. All virus infections can cause the same symptoms. The Epstein-Barr virus for example can make people tired for months.
People definitely report it and genuinely believe they have it.. but similar problems occur in a small subset of all people who recover from infectious diseases.
So it may not be covid specific but it does seem to exist and with a wide ranging illness such as covid then obviously more overall people have it than from say pneumonia.
I am wondering how much immune "budget" do humans have for vaccines?
This topic is left unadressed and is extremely worrying, being an existential risk.
Basically, the body has a limited amount of unspecialized naive T cells in its lifetime, mostly located/modulated in the thymus gland, which involute quickly with age.
I suppose that 1) vaccines increase the rate of specialisation of naive T cells to mature t cells (hence the number of naive t cells diminish supraphysically)and I also believe that
2) those specific mature T cells, generating covid spike protein specific antibodies, have lost some or total ability to fight non-covid diseases as a cost of specialization.
1) would increase thymus involution rate and therefore age speed of immunosupression.
2) would reduce generic immune ability (learning other pathogens)
3) I believe the increased immune profile after a vaccine induce a long lasting (at least 6 month) increase of accelerated aging process in humans, via increased inflammation and therefore apoptosis, DNA mutations and oxidative stress, although in a mild form and hence in the medium term asymptomatic.
Above all the premises I enumerated, the 2) is the one I would draw the most attention to, which can be reformulated as:
do the repetitive administrations of a vaccine (here the 3 mRNA doses), reduce the effectiveness of the immune system for future non-COVID diseases, and even more importantly, does those doses reduce the immune learnability budget and therefore do those vaccines reduce the effectiveness of future vaccines against the next non-COVID pandemic?
There has to be a limit to immune memory, the question is, after how many vaccines do the effect become non-negligible on aging?
Moreover, I have an issue understanding why would vaccine not massively lose effectiveness after the age of 70 since at 70 the thymus has ~completely involuted (although maybe the stem cells in the bone marrow suffice?).
> I am wondering how much immune "budget" do humans have for vaccines? ... Basically, the body has a limited amount of unspecialized naive T cells in its lifetime
I'm not a medical professional, so I suspect that my opinion is just as much gibberish as yours clearly is, but with more self-awareness.
Anyway, why would that "budget" be "for vaccines" _only_ ? Vaccines trigger the same mechanism as actual viral attacks, so you may as well ask "does the human immune system have a limited budget to respond to repeated viral attacks". It's the same question. And consider what answer would have better evolutionary fitness.
This doesn't mean every COVID infection is going to cause permanent heart damage for everyone. But increases in heart failure, etc. could definitely be from the massive, nearly unmitigated global spread of COVID-19.
That's the impression I get from the media. But if not for the media, I wouldn't know anybody was dying of anything. Nobody in any of my social circles have died in over 3 years. Going off what I've personally observed, I've seen no evidence of either a pandemic or the vaccines being dangerous.
To be clear, I don't think it's all made up. Just that it's been blown up, completely out of proportion. All of it.
I'm nowhere near an expert in this field but it's something I do a lot of research about because of my family history.
Heart disease has been the leading cause of death (mostly for men over 30 and women over 60) for a very long time [1].
According to [2] and [3] the world's number of deaths by cardiac illness was about a million people larger in 2021 than in 2017, but because of the delayed effect that heart issues can have we might not be able to see the true increase the last year has had until it's well behind us.
The sad fact is that a lot of us are going to die of a heart problem we didn't even know we had. And since heart health is affected by so many things it's very difficult to find a single root cause for it in anybody. That said there's already research showing that cases of arrhythmia and atrial fibrillation are increased in people who had covid within 1 year of contracting it [4]. Which makes sense because heart problems increase in people who contract many life threatening illnesses, such as certain types of cancer [5].
Our hearts take hits from just about everything that happens to us and everything we do, and our means of identifying, preventing, curing, or (someday I hope) reversing heart illness is still far behind where it needs to be. Please remember to get physicals at the recommended pace for your age group (ask your doctor) and try to do things to get your heart pumping in a good way when you can.
smt88|3 years ago
From their own article:
> He praises the study, which was difficult to perform because of the amount and quality of data, but adds that it is limited because it does not break the data down by key factors, such as the participants’ medical history. “These are very important questions we need answers to,” Putrino says. “We don’t have any really well constructed studies just yet.”
The study also doesn't seem to control for comorbid mental health issues. The pandemic caused a massive spike in anxiety and depression, which (by themselves or due to medications) can result in the same symptoms used to diagnose long Covid in this study: brain fog and fatigue.
There really is nothing to report here yet.
johndfsgdgdfg|3 years ago
r00fus|3 years ago
So yeah, not a representative study at all.
And I'm someone who's somewhat concerned specifically about long covid.
jrnichols|3 years ago
I am too, but it is not surprising. It's getting them page views. We're also going to be seeing "long covid" articles for years to come as it's going to be a goldmine for research funding.
hda111|3 years ago
cmattoon|3 years ago
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JamesBarney|3 years ago
I think long covid exists I just think there is also a lot of psychosomatic long covid and until we have a good diagnostic criteria to differentiate the two it'll be really hard to study it.
lend000|3 years ago
I've had both consistently for about 2 years now, along with some other neurological symptoms post-covid (no clinical anxiety or depression though). It's made me more of a believer in listening to other people's experiences.
notahacker|3 years ago
ipaddr|3 years ago
But here is an actual study that goes against this story. Will you believe science or myth? Are there enough excuses to keep the myth alive?
smearth|3 years ago
Vitamin D and K interact with cartilage.
Vitamin D deficiency and severity of covid infection correlate. As does obesity. Obesity causes vitamin D deficiency.
Brainfog is a symptom of covid and causes some people to fall down levels of maslow’s hierarchy of needs.
Falling down maslow’s hierarchy of needs causes anxiety.
Anxiety depletes the body of B vitamins. B vitamin deficiencies can impact on glutathione production. Glutathione deficiency can impact immune function.
Spinal alignment/stability helps one maintain focus. Poor spinal alignment causes the brain to burn energy on proprioception. Causing mental fatigue, ie brainfog.
When the body is under stress the cellular membranes become less functional. I think this an immune protective mechanism (speculative). I think you can control cellular permeability with lipid ratio ingestion and calorie management. Cellular permeability affects the mitochondrial energy production and immunity. It makes sense that cellular protection is optimised over energy production when recuperating from a viral illness.
The brain impacts the immune system, there is immune memory stored in the brain.
I was diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome 4 years ago after contracting a chinese flu.
I am writing this because when people write the word psychosomatic I think the same thing. I just think no-one in medicine has a comprehensive understanding of what psychosomatic is.
I also think long-covid is worse than chronic-fatigue. The base damage is worse, then there is the same viral borne psychosomatic condition layered over the top of it.
What the people safely ensconsed up maslow’s needs hierarchy often fail to understand is the immense stress felt by the people sliding down it.
Incremental motivation and autonomy is hugely important to mental health. The homeless and mentally discounted don’t get much. So there’s this often unarrestable downward spiral.
When you land literally on the floor. The way back up is swimmers stretchers an arm, then a leg, then a leg, then an arm. Build up that spinal strength and propioception with whatever spare energy the body has available to it. It takes at least six months and there are numerous crashes.
You need to eat really simple foods because the brain goes into ptsd mode and hypersensitivities emerge.
You need a really comfortable bed because you are in constant pain and can’t sleep.
You need to know you won’t be homeless because the anxiety will wipe out the b-vitamins faster than the you can ingest them.
The support groups will tell you you have a 5% chance of recovery.
I think it is a psychosomatic illness as well but medication won’t help. I also think some people’s immune systems end up in such a state of depletion that it is just a pure untreatable illness for them.
If you try and communicate any of this in the midst of brain-fog the natural assumption is that you are whinging and crazy. Forgiveness helps, anger management helps.
I think permeability of the membrane inner ear is the underlying causitive mechanism of long-covid chronic fatigue syndrome. You need really good potassium concentration in the inner ear for proprioception to work effectively. Lying down plus the cellular stress permeability response depletes this concentration. Hypermobility exacerbates the problem, the membrane is partially cartilagenous.
This leads to brainfog and fatigue when moving. You have to build yourself up really slowly and there are alot of critics. Outwardly you don’t look that terrible.
I spent time figuring this out to get better. Now I work in telesales because a failure mode of the prefrontal cortex (requiring the most brain energy kind of) is that you tend to talk alot.
I’m getting better, slowly crawling back up Maslow’s hierrarchy. No doctor told me any of this.
I got lucky, didn’t believe my diagnosis initially. (Takes the average person 7 years to be disgnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome). I asked for the most alternative physio at the practice I went to for the constant pain. He wouldn’t discuss the condition at all but he got me doing swimmers stretches and propioception exercises.
I can do sideplanks now. What people don’t understand is that your energy doesn’t collapse immediately. It takes up to 72 hours post exertion for the mitochondria to be overwhelmed and the fatigue and brainfog to kick in.
It is very easy for people to arrive at a place of learned helplessness. It is very easy for family members to question your behaviours from the perspective of mental illness. When you yourself don’t understand why your own energy is collapsing.
You can’t differentiate psycho-somatic from the physical. All that will help it is treatment plans that assume there isn’t a psychological cure in and of itself. Physical therapy is hugely important. More research is required into the base damage of the corona-virus. Then the treatment plan needs to regularly tweaked till it gets to the point of basic health maintenance.
No-one’s getting rich of this so I can’t see it happening soon.
My dream is a better collaborative information system for treating chronic illness. I think people are overly focused on causative mechanisms. Body’s heal themselves given the right conditions.
I wish a company existed where people report their pre-existing conditions, symptoms and medical test and diagnostic result then get given a best-practice treatment plans. The results of the treatment plans are monitored using fitbits. Then incremental adjustments are made to the treatment plan using machine learning to search for symptom dopplegangers and discover what worked and what didn’t for other health dopplegangers.
I don’t know why this doesn’t exist. I think the returns on medical research are getting less and less. The body is multisystemic and everybody is unique. But with 8 billion people there are loads of symptom dopplegangers. We don’t need to know why something works to know that it works. The search for why has diminishing return with each level of complexity. A smaller and smaller percentage of the population can afford the latest medical treatments. Medical research is expensive and wasteful. The top of maslow’s hierarchy is really saying that there is no need for why just being.
I think collaborative sympton doppleganger machine learning optimised treatment plans should be the future of medicine. It is what computer innovation should be about.
There should also be a whole lot more research into vitamin-d vitamin k and cholesterol metabolism. This is an intersection of multi-systemic conditions where membrane permeability, hyper-mobility and anxiety correlate.
You can test for hypermobility by straightening your elbow. If it goes backward even a bit, delve further, you are bendy and may need to manage that bendiness proactively.
bee_rider|3 years ago
lamontcg|3 years ago
Immunity isn't one thing that wanes.
T-cells are largely permanent and cross-reactive. Somatic hypermutation means that you have B-cells to variants which don't exist yet which can be quickly activated if you encounter them.
There's more to the immune system than circulating NAbs.
The 2009 H1N1 flu pandemic was a bit of a nothingburger because after mutating in pigs for at least 50 years, people born before 1957 still had cross-reactive T-cells to the H1 protein so old people were already immunized.
This is not the human immune system's first goat rodeo with a pandemic virus.
neverstop222|3 years ago
That's your choice, and it's your right, but it's absolutely bonkers, and if you think it should be mandated, you're a totalitarian.
niklasbuschmann|3 years ago
See https://postimg.cc/HjjsR2SF for a overview of the results.
ThrowawayTestr|3 years ago
tostonescon|3 years ago
mdp2021|3 years ago
It is not clear (to some who follow the matter reasonably in their time) how permanent the damage will be, but for example the first article that results to a search, the "famous" recent "similar in magnitude to the effects of ageing between 50 and 70 years of age",
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S258953702...
mentions 10 IQ points lost in a number of patients months after hospitalization... They note: «it is very possible that some of these individuals will never fully recover».
blenderdt|3 years ago
vorpalhex|3 years ago
So it may not be covid specific but it does seem to exist and with a wide ranging illness such as covid then obviously more overall people have it than from say pneumonia.
SemanticStrengh|3 years ago
I suppose that 1) vaccines increase the rate of specialisation of naive T cells to mature t cells (hence the number of naive t cells diminish supraphysically)and I also believe that
2) those specific mature T cells, generating covid spike protein specific antibodies, have lost some or total ability to fight non-covid diseases as a cost of specialization. 1) would increase thymus involution rate and therefore age speed of immunosupression.
2) would reduce generic immune ability (learning other pathogens)
3) I believe the increased immune profile after a vaccine induce a long lasting (at least 6 month) increase of accelerated aging process in humans, via increased inflammation and therefore apoptosis, DNA mutations and oxidative stress, although in a mild form and hence in the medium term asymptomatic.
Above all the premises I enumerated, the 2) is the one I would draw the most attention to, which can be reformulated as: do the repetitive administrations of a vaccine (here the 3 mRNA doses), reduce the effectiveness of the immune system for future non-COVID diseases, and even more importantly, does those doses reduce the immune learnability budget and therefore do those vaccines reduce the effectiveness of future vaccines against the next non-COVID pandemic? There has to be a limit to immune memory, the question is, after how many vaccines do the effect become non-negligible on aging?
study backing chronic inflammation and therefore accelerated aging: > vaccine-induced hypermetabolic lymph nodes https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34857663/
study backing the depletion of lymphocite T helper cell production: Study Shows Immune Cells Against Covid-19 Stay High in Number Six Months After Vaccination https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/newsroom/news-releases/....
Moreover, I have an issue understanding why would vaccine not massively lose effectiveness after the age of 70 since at 70 the thymus has ~completely involuted (although maybe the stem cells in the bone marrow suffice?).
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SideburnsOfDoom|3 years ago
I'm not a medical professional, so I suspect that my opinion is just as much gibberish as yours clearly is, but with more self-awareness.
Anyway, why would that "budget" be "for vaccines" _only_ ? Vaccines trigger the same mechanism as actual viral attacks, so you may as well ask "does the human immune system have a limited budget to respond to repeated viral attacks". It's the same question. And consider what answer would have better evolutionary fitness.
bergenty|3 years ago
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qbasic_forever|3 years ago
This doesn't mean every COVID infection is going to cause permanent heart damage for everyone. But increases in heart failure, etc. could definitely be from the massive, nearly unmitigated global spread of COVID-19.
robonerd|3 years ago
To be clear, I don't think it's all made up. Just that it's been blown up, completely out of proportion. All of it.
ryanmcbride|3 years ago
Heart disease has been the leading cause of death (mostly for men over 30 and women over 60) for a very long time [1].
According to [2] and [3] the world's number of deaths by cardiac illness was about a million people larger in 2021 than in 2017, but because of the delayed effect that heart issues can have we might not be able to see the true increase the last year has had until it's well behind us.
The sad fact is that a lot of us are going to die of a heart problem we didn't even know we had. And since heart health is affected by so many things it's very difficult to find a single root cause for it in anybody. That said there's already research showing that cases of arrhythmia and atrial fibrillation are increased in people who had covid within 1 year of contracting it [4]. Which makes sense because heart problems increase in people who contract many life threatening illnesses, such as certain types of cancer [5].
Our hearts take hits from just about everything that happens to us and everything we do, and our means of identifying, preventing, curing, or (someday I hope) reversing heart illness is still far behind where it needs to be. Please remember to get physicals at the recommended pace for your age group (ask your doctor) and try to do things to get your heart pumping in a good way when you can.
[1] https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsde...
[2] https://deadorkicking.com/death-statistics/worldwide/2018/
[3] https://deadorkicking.com/death-statistics/worldwide/2021/
[4] https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/covid-and-the-heart-it-spa...
[5] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28618843/
edit: some grammar
tpmx|3 years ago
If you're paranoid that your particular country is manipulating data, look at some other developed country's data.
bamboozled|3 years ago
croes|3 years ago
People only pay more attention to.
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JumpCrisscross|3 years ago
The things it was tested for. Preventing hospitalization and death from Covid. Which the Pfizer, Moderna and even J&J shots are terrifically good at.
> credibility is going to be lost if we don’t pull heads out of butts
So? The people who matter mostly got the message. People who wanted protection mostly got it.
bee_rider|3 years ago
I think it was expected/hope for by policy folks.