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uriel | 14 years ago

Welcome to the Internet. As Paul Vixie pointed out ages ago: "The Internet is not for sissies."

Trolls are almost as old as the net, and they are not going to disappear without something short of a big-brother state that makes the Great Firewall Of China look like kids play.

So better get used to it.

Also remember:

"Liberty resides in the rights of that person whose views you find most odious." — John Stuart Mill

[Disclaimer: I have often been labeled a troll, and I'm not offended by this label.]

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andos|14 years ago

By the same reasoning, we could argue that thieves and murderers are almost as old as civilization and we should just get used to it. Sorry, but no. They will always exist, sure, but the only thing we should get used to is hunting them fiercely. I will not surrender my right to be happy, productive, and helpful because a minority of socially-dysfunctional people are trying hard to ruin it for me and for others. Nobody should.

Moreover, to equate harassment of women to mere trolling is of complete ignorance. The fact that you accept the label of "troll" just reinforces that you should not put the two in the same level. Would you be OK if people often called you an abuser of women?

The women involved in this shitty situation have already written pages and pages of how terrible it is—particularly for women—to be the target of harassment. If anyone cannot understand that, they must be really stupid.

Also remember:

"A witty saying proves nothing." — Voltaire

yummyfajitas|14 years ago

Would you be OK if people often called you an abuser of women?

MikeeUSA is not (as far as we know) an abuser of women. He is a person who sends unpleasant nonthreatening emails while peacefully sitting in his home.

Your attempt to conflate people who initiate violence and people who express unpleasant opinions is dishonest.

Further, you don't have any "right to be happy". No one does. You have the right to pursue happiness in a manner which doesn't involve violence against others, but you don't have the "right to be happy". If I have a "right to be happy", then you are violating my rights by not buying me some whisky and hookers.

forensic|14 years ago

Voltaire was wrong and I have proof. Behold:

"A short saying oft contains much wisdom." -- Sophocles

alttag|14 years ago

Saying "that's just the way things are" is no excuse for tolerating the sort of behavior under discussion here.

You're correct that it comes with the territory, but that doesn't absolve organizations (and governments) of writing and enforcing policies to mitigate the damage done by harassment. Nor should we excuse away an obligation to repudiate harassment when we encounter it. Saying it's status quo won't fix anything.

Regarding the John Stuart Mill quote above: I agree. It's not the views of the people in question that offend me, it's their alleged actions. Harassment is not free speech; it doesn't attack ideas, it attacks people.

rickmb|14 years ago

Harassment goes well beyond trolling, and so does the specific targeting of women.

burgerbrain|14 years ago

Whether or not it compares to standard trolling, it still is trolling. You're not going to fix it by complaining.