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passivate | 3 years ago

The quantum substrate being non-deterministic doesn't mean that free-will exists/doesn't exist. It has to be shown as such.

What is happening at the quantum level, to the extent that we can understand it, isn't directly translatable into a non-deterministic world at the higher macro level. And so, we do expect and observe a certain level of determinism in our macro scale world. For e.g. A topic relevant to this community - Computing. For the vast vast majority of cases when thousands of people execute the same program on the same or similar hardware at different times in different regions we do expect, and observe the same deterministic result. The outliers to this are primarily due to damage to the processor/equipment, software bugs, or other known factors (including alpha particles/radiation, etc).

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mort96|3 years ago

Ah, I see what you're saying. I interpreted what you said to mean that current philosophical thinking is that the universe is deterministic, but you're saying that even though the universe is nondeterministic, the processes in the brain are completely deterministic. This feels like a purely empirical question rather than a philosophical one; I don't know whether there are processes in the brain which depend on quantum measurement outcomes. Though I would be kind of surprised if there's nothing at all; something as simple as putting a polarization filter in front of your eyes would make which exact photons are hitting your retina determined by the outcomes of quantum measurements, which seems to mean you'd be introducing truly nondeterministic noise into the system. But I'm also completely open to the idea that in general, quantum measurements don't affect the processing of the brain or sensory inputs in any way which affects decision-making, if that's what empirical investigation of the matter shows. Whether the brain is deterministic or nondeterministic doesn't really have any impact on the way I think about the concept of free will.