Attack the technology all you want as those are some valid criticisms, but the sarcastic personal attack at the end seems unnecessary. Imagine how he'd feel reading that. Would you want to have that same feeling yourself?
> When I look at the ecosystem of JavaScript it’s frightening to see how little coders care compared to Go or Kotlin ...
I don't know about care but there is a clear difference between people with a computer science or formal programming background and most developers. You can bemoan that, but isn't it desirable that there be a democratization of development? In fact the number of simplifying tools and packages built by programmers to speed everyone up inevitably decreases barriers to doing development, and in many cases improves the quality by managing the harder stuff properly.
We had the same phenomenon a generation or more ago with Visicalc and Excel, where people who would never think of themselves as programmers wrote complex macros to get their jobs done.
And a decade before that we famously had secretaries writing EMACS macros who certainly never thought of themselves as programmers.
I think this is all a good thing, even if I am dubious about my bank's phone app.
> At least I’m happy for him he could finally cash out on sequoia money and become a SV millionaire like everyone else !
It doesn't actually work that way. This is an A round, so a priced round, so in theory the founders' equity could have some noticeable valuation but in reality the common will have no meaningful cash value and the founders aren't worth anything as a result of this funding. Yet, at least.
- I don't need to mess with third-party tooling, half a dozen project configs, etc because everything is built-in and Just Works
- The standard APIs are mostly wonderful- modern, promise-based, practical, etc. Documentation leaves something to be desired and many core APIs are still unstable (in that they get breaking changes (though you can easily pin to a specific version)), though for most of the ones with direct analogs in Node you can honestly just follow the Node docs
- Standardized importing is awesome; we may finally leave behind the nightmare of multiple coexisting module systems
- Standardized testing is awesome
- The lack of an install step is awesome
"Isaac Ryan has so far solved none of the problems that exist in the node ecosystem" is simply wrong, and feels like a cheap and uninformed dig rooted in some personal beef you must have.
In most scenarios, new ways of writing the same code is a waste of time. I actively discourage use of things like type inference in newer Java versions as it goes against the purity of the original vision of the language. It's a detriment to mental agility, and it also makes scores of incredibly useful, deep books and learning resources outdated and useless.
Personally I got the sense that the Go community doesn't really care for web apps or anything too close to React, but maybe I'm just not experienced enough yet with Go. Is there something like CreateRustApp but with Go?
I don't think it's needed. The new front-end build tools optimize for production use and have a great developer experience. Use Next.js or any of the many toolkits out there. There will be a lot more support for them too.
latchkey|3 years ago
gumby|3 years ago
I don't know about care but there is a clear difference between people with a computer science or formal programming background and most developers. You can bemoan that, but isn't it desirable that there be a democratization of development? In fact the number of simplifying tools and packages built by programmers to speed everyone up inevitably decreases barriers to doing development, and in many cases improves the quality by managing the harder stuff properly.
We had the same phenomenon a generation or more ago with Visicalc and Excel, where people who would never think of themselves as programmers wrote complex macros to get their jobs done.
And a decade before that we famously had secretaries writing EMACS macros who certainly never thought of themselves as programmers.
I think this is all a good thing, even if I am dubious about my bank's phone app.
gumby|3 years ago
It doesn't actually work that way. This is an A round, so a priced round, so in theory the founders' equity could have some noticeable valuation but in reality the common will have no meaningful cash value and the founders aren't worth anything as a result of this funding. Yet, at least.
brundolf|3 years ago
- I don't need to mess with third-party tooling, half a dozen project configs, etc because everything is built-in and Just Works
- The standard APIs are mostly wonderful- modern, promise-based, practical, etc. Documentation leaves something to be desired and many core APIs are still unstable (in that they get breaking changes (though you can easily pin to a specific version)), though for most of the ones with direct analogs in Node you can honestly just follow the Node docs
- Standardized importing is awesome; we may finally leave behind the nightmare of multiple coexisting module systems
- Standardized testing is awesome
- The lack of an install step is awesome
"Isaac Ryan has so far solved none of the problems that exist in the node ecosystem" is simply wrong, and feels like a cheap and uninformed dig rooted in some personal beef you must have.
jxf|3 years ago
Deno Deploy makes money; it's $10/mo/app: https://deno.com/deploy/pricing
hayd|3 years ago
rlt|3 years ago
Tell me you don’t know how venture capital works without telling me you don’t know.
l30n4da5|3 years ago
Old code does not mean bad code. Seems like a silly thing to look at, honestly.
A bunch of java was written pre-java8, does that make it all bad? No, no it doesnt.
jonny_eh|3 years ago
spoils19|3 years ago
threatofrain|3 years ago
https://github.com/Wulf/create-rust-app
mmgutz|3 years ago
I use Go with Next.js and svelte-kit.
geodel|3 years ago
nxmnxm99|3 years ago